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frame sliders or not

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#1 ·
I had a low speed low side on the track and the bike flipped and got pretty beaten up. I had R&G sliders on the bike. The right slider was bent way backwards and it damaged the frame a little. It clearly caught on something (maybe the edge of grass).

I am getting a new bike and trying to decide if I want to put sliders on it at all. I know this has been discussed in various venues and I also searched this site for experiences.

Is there a consensus on this point?

I know people use them for street, where the greater chance is you set it down while standing still (non-accident) in which case the slider clearly protects the bodywork. My question really relates to the track, better with our without sliders with street bodywork.

Thanks
 
#2 ·
I have lowsided twice. One on my r1 where a cheap slider just broke off. The second on the BMW where the bike slid 50 feet down the road on the sliders and the the plastic didn't have a scratch on it. It can't hurt anything to have a slider. Spend the 100 bucks and call it a day


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#3 ·
I just got a 2013 s1000rr this weekend and ordered the woodcraft sliders for it today. I had woodcraft sliders on my last bike (r6) and they saved my bike a few times - once a really bad high side. Woodcraft's are clean, simple and strong as heck.

I don't care, I'm cutting a hole in the fairing. My first crash with no-cut sliders just snapped the slider off, I haven't used no-cut since.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Trex

I've ordered T-Rex sliders but I also have some street GB Racing sliders which I ordered earlier.

I've seen pics of a 1199 with T-rex sliders that low-sided at 40mph and they worked well even though the Pani hasn't got a frame to speak of.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBqcRgi3NLw

The GB racing sliders are 'Cut' and 'Street', they have slightly shorter versions for Race but I figure it won't make much difference.

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So I'm going to be deciding between which of these I fit so any help gratefully received.
 
#11 ·
Despite all the cute sliders on the market...

As short as possible will have a MUCH better chance of protecting the frame and not "bending" or "breaking" off...!

If you'll recall your 8th grade physics class, the longer the lever arm, the greater chance of bending/breaking it.

I used a set of Yosh 2011 sliders on my 12 and shortened them even more. While they won't do much to protect the bodywork, they shouldn't break off or bend...not protecting anything...!

Mike
 
#54 ·
Wish my trex held up like that...mine shattered into a bunch of pieces and slid on the post spinning the bike around a few times before it came to a stop.

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T-Rex sliders is the worst peice of crap anyone can buy. Expensive worthless shitshitshit.
Should have been better of trying to keep my leg under the bike during this lowsider =P
 

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#20 · (Edited)
Motovation cut frame sliders are fantastic and most importantly work. I never buy no cut frame sliders for the same reason is they snap off consistently. They will break off before absorbing impact. To me they are worthless. Get your frame sliders bolted directly to the frame so they don't snap off and destroy more of your bike.

BMW S1000RR Race Frame Sliders

Hope this helps. Good luck and ride safe.
 
#21 ·
you roll the dice every time the bike goes down on frame sliders. Had a cracked frame once from a 20mph low side.

cold tire lowsided my S1000rr about 30mph. the r&g held up nicely. went into gravel trap which I think bent the mounting bolt.

I do agree stay away from the no cut sliders. you want sliders closest to the frame as possible
 
#22 ·
Do you guys know if anyone makes frames sliders that fit under the fairings like the WSBK team has. I have R&G sliders in mine now but don't like how far they stick out so looking to replace them. I know ilmberger makes the carbon covers for them but don't feel it's really gonna protect anything. But did like the ones I saw on the Golbet S1k
 
#44 ·
Short Frame Sliders



I like the short sliders you are referring to. I am going to machine some for my bike that will resemble the WSB BMW's.

Someone posted that they are most concerned about frame damage and I agree. I really don't care if the bodywork gets torn up. That is cheap compared to a frame spar. Right now, a new frame sells for $3000 and change.

I'm trying to come up with a mount that will keep the bolt as close to flush with the frame as possible, yet provide a solid, load bearing attachment point for the slider puck. I want to keep the chance of snagging the mount as minimal as possible.

On a side note, I do manufacture and sell axle sliders. You can see them here:

Custom Parts and Solutions For Your BMW S1000RR

I don't know if I would sell the frame sliders. Until it can be proven that frame damage is minimal with them, I think I would hold off on marketing them. I would be happy to provide pictures and sizes to anyone that wanted to make their own though.
 
#24 ·
OP asked whether sliders would be helpful to protect from a fall at the track.

Thinking aloud...

If one has racing fairings, then it's more of a matter of protecting the frame itself since the fairings should be quite cheap to replace, maybe comparable to the price of the sliders themselves. No guarantees you're not scratching the frame main beams when using a slider. The slider should provide some additional protection (provided it breaks off when needed), but one should also consider a frame protector like this

For occasional track days, if you want to just save those expensive original fairings (talk about the replacement cost of an HP4 panel in a few years!), what's the point of cutting a hole through it to fit a slider? Call it preventive damage if you want.
 
#26 ·
I realize this is an older thread but I got Sato Racing sliders and they don't require cutting the plastic but cost a bundle...somewhere in the range of $200.00. Hoping they are strong. I had some cheap shogun on my Busa and it went down at low speed and slid a good ten feet which ground off a !/4 to 1/2 inch and busted up one $250.00 piece of plastic but it saved my Akro carbon fiber can and titanium header plus who knows what else. I'll never be without sliders.
 
#27 ·
My thoughts about sliders are a little different. I think sliders are meant to slide and wear down to dissipate energy until the body comes to a rest. In the event that the slider catches on something, or if the impact is too hard, I rather the bolts of my slider bend. If the slider is short and stout and don't give, the force gets transferred to the frame and something in thew frame will break. Its cheaper to replace a slider than a frame.