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Drain plug crush washer Al vs. Cu?

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#1 ·
Been looking for a source for crush washers for the oil drain plug.
Wunderlich has a 16x20 COPPER washer, but not in ALUMINUIM.
The last time I changed my oil, the washer was ALUMINIUM but the spares I got at the local independent shop were too tight (and fat), so I prayed and re-used.
Now, looking for the correct washers and found the right description and size, but different material.
I am thinking that the Aluminium version is softer to create a better seal, but have never had any problems with copper on my cars that require similar torque values.

I am thinking that BMW decided to use Al washers for a reason (material properties, financial decision, etc.), but I don't know if I should buy the less expensive copper ones (a dealer price I saw was almost 3x copper ones). Not expensive, but I was going for one-stop-shopping.

Anyone with experience with copper washers, please weigh in?
 
#12 · (Edited)
Ordered the 25 pack from McMaster Carr website Sunday. They had a note saying the order would not be processed till after Memorial Day. $20.86 including taxes and shipping. About $.84 each. They arrived today.

Beemerboneyard filter wrench and filters ordered at the same time, still en route to USPS facility. Just saying... Only ordered filters from them to get the wrench order over the $20 minimum. :surprise:
 
#13 ·
Excellent point about the anodic/cathodic properties, especially in an area likely to see a lot of moisture (enabling/enhancing the corrosion as it's the medium). For our aluminum control section housing that I redesigned (JSOW missile), at first we had to coat with epoxy primer every stainless threaded insert (helicoil type) we used to prevent corrosion. We had a dedicated Engineer who did nothing but look at materials and corrosion issues. However, after new research came out in the mid '90's and was given to us by TI, it was found that, basically, the electrical potential of the dissimilar metals mattered. In other words, if the inserts were a small percentage of mass compared to the aluminum housing, the corrosion was not an issue. If it was a stainless casting with aluminum inserts (for the sake of argument) then the inserts would get eaten up in short order.

In this case, since the copper gasket is a very small mass compared to the engine castings, I'd say it's probably not an issue, especially since there's almost certainly a thin layer of oil between the 2 as a barrier. But since it has the "potential" (pun intended:laugh:) to cause light corrosion on the mating interface, why even chance it? The issue I'd be more worried about is that the torque value was designed based on how much pressure it would take to crush the softer aluminum, and with a copper washer of unknown value, you might end up getting either not enough or too much clamping force for a certain torque setting...possibly leading to stripping threads or the bolt falling out.

In short, me, I'd use stock washers and make sure they're oriented correctly and be worry-free...
 
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I used high heat/pressure copper washers that I got on Amazon. Same size as OEM. They worked fine, changed them each oil change. If torqued properly and changed often they're fine. I still have a bag full of them. I don't remember the name, if you search for OEM size you will find them. They were much cheaper than OEM. For R1, motoD make alum one that are as good as OEM for one third of the price. Worth checking their catalog.