Will Still have the flatspot in 2/3rd gear on US models .. 🤣😉

 

This is true, and the HP rating is the same also as K67 20-22

151KW or 202.4 crankshaft HP.. not the rear tire

I have the race code already for the 2023 and awaiting a test bike still to see if the ECU can be accessed.

Zak brags about how smooth it feels, some of it is that nice solid cast copy of the M1000RR upper triple. I rode my 2022 last weekend and I have the billet M1000RR upper on it and it is even more smooth than my 2021 which also has the M1000RR upper. The 22 engine is updated slightly over the 2021.. BMW Motorrad never releases data on the updates. It would cause people under warranty to request the updates and call it a defect fix, not an upgrade fix.

 

Some add heavier bar-ends to minimise vibrations ... so how does the newer top tree clamp being more solid help with vibration and also some install the lever guard does this then effect as they weigh less that barends ?

 

HorsePower and torque are a product of measurement from work output.

The problem is that BMW Motorrad uses CRANKSHAFT HP numbers. Tuners like myself use real world rear tire numbers.

If you take the 205HP crank and you take away the driveline loss of 12HP there about. It works out to the real world Dyno Horsepower number most will see and many have posted.

205-12 = 193HP rear tire horsepower.

WSBK and everyone else uses crank horse power numbers as well because it makes the bikes sound fast and powerful.

I have clearly shown that 203/204HP at the rear tire works forward from driveline loss to 216HP at the crankshaft. Now some tuners like to brag this number and try to make themselves look good / better than another that uses the real world what you see as a consumer at the rear tire.

210 is the new UK crankshaft horse power if one is to believe that is what the 2023 will dyno at really. If you work that backwards to the rear tire we have 198HP at the rear tire. that is respectable and about what alot of tuners are putting out there with their tunes. About 198 at the tire. I have very consistent results at 203/204HP at that tire.

I have the M1000RR and all the K67 S1000RR's now. 23 maybe next month. I had to buy a new truck that came in early last week. So I ordered the 23 a little late for this batch hitting now.

There is only a little magic to the M1000RR air box. I will build a thread on it. The external of the air box casing is exactly the same S1000RR to M1000RR. The different is the boot sealing and the secondary velocity stacks.

 

HorsePower and torque are a product of measurement from work output.

The problem is that BMW Motorrad uses CRANKSHAFT HP numbers. Tuners like myself use real world rear tire numbers.

If you take the 205HP crank and you take away the driveline loss of 12HP there about. It works out to the real world Dyno Horsepower number most will see and many have posted.

205-12 = 193HP rear tire horsepower.

WSBK and everyone else uses crank horse power numbers as well because it makes the bikes sound fast and powerful.

I have clearly shown that 203/204HP at the rear tire works forward from driveline loss to 216HP at the crankshaft. Now some tuners like to brag this number and try to make themselves look good / better than another that uses the real world what you see as a consumer at the rear tire.

210 is the new UK crankshaft horse power if one is to believe that is what the 2023 will dyno at really. If you work that backwards to the rear tire we have 198HP at the rear tire. that is respectable and about what alot of tuners are putting out there with their tunes. About 198 at the tire. I have very consistent results at 203/204HP at that tire.

I have the M1000RR and all the K67 S1000RR's now. 23 maybe next month. I had to buy a new truck that came in early last week. So I ordered the 23 a little late for this batch hitting now.

There is only a little magic to the M1000RR air box. I will build a thread on it. The external of the air box casing is exactly the same S1000RR to M1000RR. The different is the boot sealing and the secondary velocity stacks.

Maybe there's some misunderstanding here, I'm very aware of driveline loss and don't expect to see 210rwhp even at stage 2. It looked like you were saying that the K67 20-22 vs K67 23 would be the same crank hp at 202. Even before the bike was fully announced, there was talk about 2.5 hp over the 22 year, the head and airbox would seem to be able to accomplish that number. What is the real difference in the specs? Why is the US 205hp and the EU 210hp? If it's the tune, then that number is irrelevant correct, because we'll just tune it back up anyways?

 

@Cobradaddy it is impossible to beleive what Motorrad post in press releases. Things change, rules with Euro and EPA change, nothing is set in stone these days.

Currently ISTA and AIR of Motorrad show >

The 2023 S1000RR Euro is 154KW which is 206.5 HP.. and again, these are BMW Motorrad crankshaft HP numbers. Euro S1000RR 2019 to 2022 was 152KW which is 203.8 HP

The 2023 S1000RR USA is 151KW and the same on the 2020-22 S1000RR 151KW which is 202.4HP at the crankshaft.

Of course it is the tune. The ECU has so much control these days this S1000RR is sold to countries that have more restriction when the USA.

The air box thread

What are the DIFFERENCES between the AirBOX on K66...

So the rumor is that the 2023 S1000RR will get the M1000RR air box. This air box has been deemed to be able to produce 3HP to 8HP bolt on HorsePower. Well, I have the M1000RR and the S1000RR air box side by side. The external casing of the air box cannot change. They have to fit under the...

www.s1000rrforum.com

 

@Cobradaddy it is impossible to beleive what Motorrad post in press releases. Things change, rules with Euro and EPA change, nothing is set in stone these days.

Currently ISTA and AIR of Motorrad show >

The 2023 S1000RR Euro is 154KW which is 206.5 HP.. and again, these are BMW Motorrad crankshaft HP numbers. Euro S1000RR 2019 to 2022 was 152KW which is 203.8 HP

The 2023 S1000RR USA is 151KW and the same on the 2020-22 S1000RR 151KW which is 202.4HP at the crankshaft.

Of course it is the tune. The ECU has so much control these days this S1000RR is sold to countries that have more restriction when the USA.

The air box thread

What are the DIFFERENCES between the AirBOX on K66...

So the rumor is that the 2023 S1000RR will get the M1000RR air box. This air box has been deemed to be able to produce 3HP to 8HP bolt on HorsePower. Well, I have the M1000RR and the S1000RR air box side by side. The external casing of the air box cannot change. They have to fit under the...

www.s1000rrforum.com

As per this response, it looks like the EU bike has seen the HP increase from the M parts and most likely the US model has been tuned more restricted to match the same output as last year. One seems like they can assume once tuned, the bike will make more power than the 22s.

I'm also aware how BMW can not be that reliable with information, there might be a Sh1t storm once people realise they're not getting reasets in the billet package, even though the website includes them.

 

I believe manufactures and probably WSBK publish crack HP/TRQ b/c they dyno engines not vehicles. Nothing more nefarious than that.

For cars, BMW is well known to under publish HP/TRQ numbers. Not sure about motorcycles.

 

A detailed and close up comparison of a 22 & 23 in black.

I love this guy for maintenance how-tos, just wish the Russian to English auto-translate worked better.

 

In this older pre-release article, I found these two points interesting. I doubt one tooth will eliminate the US flat spot but it appears that hardware and software change may help? We'll have to wait for some owners to chime in. Number 3 may be why I'm seeing comments about MY2023 being smoother.

2. The rear sprocket is one tooth larger. The RR gained a tooth in the rear and should also liven-up acceleration. Whether that helps alleviate the noise emission-related flat spots we experienced on the 2020 BMW S 1000 RR remains to be seen.

3. Revised quickshifter settings are a welcome change. Engineers have altered the quickshifter’s programming, applying a new torque model to assist with shifts across the rpm spectrum. Reaction times are refined, which we hope leads to smoother shifting.

2023 BMW S 1000 RR First Look [A Dozen Superbike Fast Facts]

2023 BMW S 1000 RR First Look: There are all sorts of updates for the German superbike, from the motor to the chassis.

ultimatemotorcycling.com

 

There you have it

 

"We did it!"

What a tool. We did what was obviously possible, we're amazing [emoji1751]

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Short overview of the changes and close up of a second black bike.

 

Classic 650ib video.

 

I want to see the 23 tail on a 20-22

 

I want to see 22 tail on the 23. Not my liking

 

Was looking at the Gen4/5 next to each other.
The new tail unit is clearly longer to help BMW inyroduce a smaller license plateholder.

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I know people have different feeling about him but he is a very good presenter.

 

 

A bit confused. He says it appears that the 2023 has the TRQ map applied but still throttle restrictions in lower gears and top HP is no where near 205.

God I hope that motor has been broken in first before that dyno run...

 

seems from images of the left side of bike that in order to install any kind of frame sliders they will have to be offset or cut the panel. Right seems fine but left one. Anyone confirm?

 

Looks that way. Or they build a brace to go behind the fairings. Not sure if needed as much anymore with the wings? They will hit before the sliders


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There are 2 massive wings which hit the floor first, frame sliders that stick out are pointless.

Engine cases + wings... Crash protection done.

If you still want the actual frame protected the carbon covers plus flush fitting pads like these will sit under the bodywork.

https://www.gbracing.eu/Catalogue/FRAME-PROTECTORS/S1000RR-Frame-Protector-Set-2019-2020

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This guy sums it up for me

 

Updated and longer video showing before and after tuning.

 

M1000RR and S1000RR fairings interchange 2020-2023

The M1000 has that support brace in the fairing stay area but would also work on the S1000 if you really wanted that carbon fiber piece to the support the winglets at 100+MPH

 

Wow. For the price of the M1000RR carbon support brace it might be cheaper to buy the 2023 S1000RR support braces + fairings + wings!

46631542831 - Bracket Winglet - Carbon 2020-2023 BMW-Motorrad M 1000 RR | BMW Motorrad USA

Genuine OEM Bracket Winglet - Carbon (46631542831) for select 2020-2023 BMW-Motorrad M 1000 RR motorcycles at an affordable price!

www.shopbmwmotorcycles.com

46637924414 - Bracket Winglet 2022-2024 BMW-Motorrad S 1000 RR | BMW Motorrad USA

Genuine OEM Bracket Winglet (46637924414) for select 2022-2024 BMW-Motorrad S 1000 RR motorcycles at an affordable price!

www.shopbmwmotorcycles.com

 

Aftermarket brackets will come out at some point. Thanks for sharing that. Wow didn’t realize it would be that much.


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If that hex head bolt is allowing the plastic panel to rest on it with very much pressure, I can assure you from vibration of riding, that paint will chip off the panel and likely even cause a mark in the plastic it self.

 

Sadly, the R&G non symmetrical frame sliders also have a slight issue with rubbing. The left side one will rub if you have the aero slider positioned parallel to the ground. If you allow the slider to be turned a bit where the back tear drop is pointing downward, it won't touch. I thought it wouldn't be a big deal but BMW_388 is correct that over time the slider will rub through the paint. This has happened on mine and I only have about 2200 or so miles on my bike. It's a small area which I'll see if a place such as Colorite or Dr Colorchip will make an equivalent touch up paint. Or I'll just go to my trusted body shop and have the painter mix up one for me.

 

Sadly, the R&G non symmetrical frame sliders also have a slight issue with rubbing.

I initially ordered the non symmetrical, and it cannot be mounted on the 2023 at all. The bold on which it mount is now covered by the fairing. That was not the case with previous models.

 

My 23 finally arrived I went to go pick it up they were unable to sell it to me because of a stop sale recall on the M levers don't know if it's the clutch or the front brake or both. They said the recall came in just an hour ago can anyone else confirm this??

 

Have not heard anything yet, but I am soon due for the first service. I do have the M levers too.

 

 

There was a forum member reporting they had an issue with their M levers. One of them had a pin come out if I recall correctly.