My dealer informed me that if I put on a full exhaust on the 2015 it would void the warranty. Slip on would be O.K. Is that true?
I know if you buy the race kit they make you sign a waiver that you are not using it on the street and that by installing the kit it may void your warranty.
You misunderstood me - I agree with you on the kit - with the ECU. We are talking about the exhaust system alone. BMW sells the exhaust systems and they do not require a signed waiver and they do not void the warranty. As I stated they come on HP4's and K1300s's the anniversary and HP models.I can post a copy of the waiver that I signed for my race ECU again. I believe that it does void the warranty, the language is pretty specific. That said, I also had to sign a paper to order the small "HP" sticker that goes on the ECU. The sticker was lost before I picked up the ECU, so I had to order one separately. Can't imagine they could void a warranty over a sticker!
I think the whole point on these waivers is this; It gives them a reason and means to deny a claim. They (the manufacturer) knows that the law is not on their side but I imagine that the threat alone gets them off the hook more often than not. At that point, who has the money to fight? The customer or BMW?
Also, when installing the HP Race ECU, you purchase that from BMW and they have to install/enable the software. There is no way the individual can do that. The dealer can not order those parts from BMW Germany until Germany receives a signed waiver by the owner of the bike. That kind of shoots down the argument of buying from the dealer and having them install the part to avoid a voided warranty threat.
I agree its ridiculous how the dealers claim every little thing will void your warranty. I think in the case of a new ECU for example, they need to protect themselves from someone doing something wrong. I spent a little time looking at the internals of the ECU with the Calibration Kit 2 software and I'm sure you could do some serious damage to the motor very easily. I wouldn't expect someone to cover that.
I think as some have said, find a dealer that will install those parts without the threats. Build a relationship with them, and you would be surprised what they can do for you. I owned a boat several years ago and a very good buddy worked for a dealer that serviced the brand (OMC) of motor/outdrive unit my boat had. My outdrive was a little stiff when shifting, and him being a perfectionist, that needed fixed! He brought in the regional rep for OMC, and when he was done, my outdrive was fitted with a complete transmission gear set and shafts, all new electronics, and new shift cables. We are talking thousands of dollars. My boat was a couple of years out of warranty and although it ran and worked fine, it was not as good as my buddy thought it should be.
I know that that kind of service is not the norm, and having friends in the right places certainly helps. There was no deception between my buddy and the rep, he was up front about the fact that he (my buddy) felt things weren't failing, they just should perform better.
As frustrating as going to a dealer can be, find one that you can build a relationship with and steer clear of the ones that claim installing frame sliders will void the warranty on the motor, or the whole bike!
Different dealer seems the way to go for sure.Here's one for you all to get a chuckle out of. You need to sign this form:
To purchase this:
Seems they are all over the place with what "might" void the warranty.
I understand the deal with the pipe, and it does not appear you need the waiver for it. I would still just find a different dealer.
I strongly agree! Anyone that modifies their vehicles needs to get themselves aquainted with this law. Heck, if a dealer told me such BS, I would make a copy of the Magnuson-Moss and hand it to them.Again I strongly encourage everyone to research Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act and stop accepting everything their good ole boy dealer and their personnel is force-feeding them.
Here in Massachusetts you can't sign your legal rights away the court will not accept it and fight for you.I strongly agree! Anyone that modifies their vehicles needs to get themselves aquainted with this law. Heck, if a dealer told me such BS, I would make a copy of the Magnuson-Moss and hand it to them.
All you guys yelling about how great MM is need to realize that possession is 9/10ths of the law and the dealer/mfg hold all the cards. When they refuse to warranty something because, in their judgment, the modification caused the failure, telling them about MM or giving them a copy isn't going to do diddly-squat. The only recourse is a lawsuit which you can never get a lawyer to take on contingency, so you're looking at several grand just to get involved in a legal process with no guarantee of success. Or spend a lot of time taking them to small claims with again, no guarantee of success.I strongly agree! Anyone that modifies their vehicles needs to get themselves aquainted with this law. Heck, if a dealer told me such BS, I would make a copy of the Magnuson-Moss and hand it to them.
I pretty much agree, although just because BMW sells it doesn't automatically make it not have warranty implications. I think the key thing here is that the exhaust, regardless of who makes it, retains the cat and is sold as a street exhaust. Something strictly designed for racing with a "race use only" sticker would be higher risk.O.K. I will agree when you get into serious modification (like major engine work of ECU flash), you are pretty much on your own getting warrantee repair if you have a catastrophic failure. However, what the original post was about was a BMW dealer installing a BMW sold exhaust.