[Redlinernyc]

Hey all,
I’ll be placing a build order for a 2023 S1000rr M package next Saturday and before I place the build, just want to be sure I get it right for my type of riding and have no regrets. It’ll be 95% street, with maybe 1 track day per year. Here’s what I’m thinking:

• M package with forged wheels, not CF
• nothing else

Over the past 2 weeks I’ve been on the fence on the premium package. The most appealing factor to me in the premium package is the M endurance chain. I’ve read that it’s not truly a no maintenance item, which is fine. Question is, if I don’t get the premium package, can I add the Endurance chain later on?

Has anyone else not gotten the premium package for street riding and regretted it?
Appreciate any insight!

Rahul

 

[Ravenbravo]

So heated grips, cruise, ddc and ride modes pro doesnt interest you? Its the chain?
For me the biggest factors of getting this bike was to get cruise control, heated grips and ride modes pro.
The chain is not a factor and you can buy the chain later on, but its cost is not worth it IMO.
Also IMO you would kill the resale value and many buyers without premium package
IMO, the now added separate cost of the TPMS to me is a waste as it wont tell me the tire pressure till after im moving, I want to know before I leave the house! So, I have to use the tire gauge anyway.

 

[zx10guy]

Well, the premium package also includes heated grips and cruise control. For a street bike, I now won't go without these features on any subsequent bike I purchase from here on out. I didn't think they were going to be a big deal to me until I got these features on my K67. Well, the heated grips will depend on where you live. But where I live, I do get use out of them. And with DDC, it's nice to have on a street bike. If you were tracking this exclusively, the DDC might not be worth the expense as you would want your own option for suspension components.

 

[Redlinernyc]

So heated grips, cruise, ddc and ride modes pro doesnt interest you? Its the chain?
For me the biggest factors of getting this bike was to get cruise control, heated grips and ride modes pro.
The chain is not a factor and you can buy the chain later on, but its cost is not worth it IMO.
Also IMO you would kill the resale value and many buyers without premium package

not really on the heated grips and ride modes to be honest. I’ve come from bare bones liter bikes and never found myself wanting those features, and I also ride in cold weather. I knew those were features of the premium package but not super critical to me. You have a point on resale though…

 

[BMW_388]

M package starts here >>>>
DDC ( standard on M package )
Ride Modes Pro ( standard on M package )
Race-Paket ( standard on M package )
Dynamic package ( standard on M package )
M Sports seat ( standard on M package ) There is an option to get a different seat height, but this has caused delays in orders.
Heated Grips ( standard on M package )
RDC ( Tire Pressure Monitor System ) ( standard on M package )
Cruise control ( standard on M package )
M WHEELS > ( can be forged or carbon option wheels )
Operating instructions, English

To here is the options with nearly all M package I have worked on.
Then these are ordered options.

HP Endurance chain ( can be ordered item optional )
Akra Sport silencer ( can be an ordered item as optional or you get the plain SS muffler as same on 2020-2022 )
M lightweight battery ( can be ordered as optional part )
Fästeile-Paket ( Billet levers and rearsets ) ( can be an ordered optional parts )
Alarm system ( can be ordered as optional part )
M GPS-Laptrigger ( can be ordered as optional installation of software to ECU. NO HARDWARE is provided )
HP Carbon Pack ( can be ordered as optional parts )
3 Year Warranty ( USA and other countries are same warranty, but USA is 36,000 miles )

My opinion on optional order parts >

The endurance chain is a money maker for BMW Motorrad. Just a chain in the long run of things as steel is steel. It will degrade with heat and time. You will adjust this like any other chain at 2000, 5000, 8000 miles. You will lube it like any other chain at every other ride if you really want to take care of it.

The AKRA sport muffler is really nice in appearance, but really, we all want a muffler that makes more noise and does not take up a huge amount of space in that area of the swing arm. I like the SC S1 design, and others like the MotoGP short can. Full exhaust option means you only need the optional Akra header and the OEM AKRA sport muffler fits right on there.

The billet levers are too sharp in the edges to me, and I dont like the adjustment knobs. I use Gilles FXL clutch lever, and Brembo folding on my Brembo 19x20 billet master cylinder.

The forged vs carbon wheels. I have hit pot holes with my carbon wheels, I have hit pot holes with my forged. They all have lasted. Now, my friends are not so lucky. I have been on many group rides where someone with like BST carbon wheels hit a pot hole and damaged a front wheel beyond repair. Only replacement. I like both, I have 4 K67 bikes and they vary from carbon to forged.

The alarm system box is not worth it. I have deleted this option code from over 100 ECU's for people.

The M GPS laptimer system is complicated. If you are not willing to spend alot of time on study to this system do not get it and get an SpeedAngle Apex or AIM system.

The HP carbon pack is pretty, but it is really expensive from BMW Motorrad. You can get the exact same parts direct order from various companies a piece set at a time.

 

[flyryder]

So heated grips, cruise, ddc and ride modes pro doesnt interest you? Its the chain?
For me the biggest factors of getting this bike was to get cruise control, heated grips and ride modes pro.
The chain is not a factor and you can buy the chain later on, but its cost is not worth it IMO.
Also IMO you would kill the resale value and many buyers without premium package

Totally in agreement with this reply. The chain is nothing. The premium package separates this bike from "ho-humness". Get the premium package and don't look back. Agree with forged vs carbon fiber wheels.

Also, you mentioned you've had literbikes with no heated grips or cruise control and didn't miss those features. That's what I thought, too. But once you have them you'll realize it's like the difference between old cars without power steering/brakes and modern cars with them. Have you ever driven a car with no hydraulic assist? It's an experience (I'm 76 and when I was young - yeah, I walked uphill to school and back both ways - none of my cars had that, and it was...different).

 

[Redlinernyc]

Thanks all. You guys made the decision pretty clear to me. Premium package it is!
Random unrelated question- what does the unboxing/prepping of a new s1000rr consist of? Does the bike already come with a special break-in oil of some sort or do dealers fill all the fluids?

 

[BMW_388]

Thanks all. You guys made the decision pretty clear to me. Premium package it is!
Random unrelated question- what does the unboxing/prepping of a new s1000rr consist of? Does the bike already come with a special break-in oil of some sort or do dealers fill all the fluids?

You will not unbox any thing about the bike. The dealer will PDI the bike and it is ready to ride and break in.

You can however attend the unboxing 'if' your dealer offers it. Just be aware that after unboxing is PDI and this can take 2 hours to 4 hours depending on the dealer work load.

I have attended 3 of my unboxing of my BMW bikes.

My 2021 M1000RR, my 2020 S1000RR from the same dealer and they allowed me to attend the process. Nothing special about it at all. Just tell the dealer / sales person you request pictures of the bike in the crate and unboxed if they will do that.

The oil is not special break in oil, but, I dont like to run my engine past 200 miles on break in for the first oil change so I do the first oil and filter myself. Then the dealer does oil and filter at 625 miles to remove the limiter and inspection of the chain, stem nut, and brakes.

 

[Ravenbravo]

M package starts here >>>>
DDC ( standard on M package )
Ride Modes Pro ( standard on M package )
Race-Paket ( standard on M package )
Dynamic package ( standard on M package )
M Sports seat ( standard on M package ) There is an option to get a different seat height, but this has caused delays in orders.
Heated Grips ( standard on M package )
RDC ( Tire Pressure Monitor System ) ( standard on M package )
Cruise control ( standard on M package )
M WHEELS > ( can be forged or carbon option wheels )
Operating instructions, English

To here is the options with nearly all M package I have worked on.
Then these are ordered options.

HP Endurance chain ( can be ordered item optional )
Akra Sport silencer ( can be an ordered item as optional or you get the plain SS muffler as same on 2020-2022 )
M lightweight battery ( can be ordered as optional part )
Fästeile-Paket ( Billet levers and rearsets ) ( can be an ordered optional parts )
Alarm system ( can be ordered as optional part )
M GPS-Laptrigger ( can be ordered as optional installation of software to ECU. NO HARDWARE is provided )
HP Carbon Pack ( can be ordered as optional parts )
3 Year Warranty ( USA and other countries are same warranty, but USA is 36,000 miles )

My opinion on optional order parts >

The endurance chain is a money maker for BMW Motorrad. Just a chain in the long run of things as steel is steel. It will degrade with heat and time. You will adjust this like any other chain at 2000, 5000, 8000 miles. You will lube it like any other chain at every other ride if you really want to take care of it.

The AKRA sport muffler is really nice in appearance, but really, we all want a muffler that makes more noise and does not take up a huge amount of space in that area of the swing arm. I like the SC S1 design, and others like the MotoGP short can. Full exhaust option means you only need the optional Akra header and the OEM AKRA sport muffler fits right on there.

The billet levers are too sharp in the edges to me, and I dont like the adjustment knobs. I use Gilles FXL clutch lever, and Brembo folding on my Brembo 19x20 billet master cylinder.

The forged vs carbon wheels. I have hit pot holes with my carbon wheels, I have hit pot holes with my forged. They all have lasted. Now, my friends are not so lucky. I have been on many group rides where someone with like BST carbon wheels hit a pot hole and damaged a front wheel beyond repair. Only replacement. I like both, I have 4 K67 bikes and they vary from carbon to forged.

The alarm system box is not worth it. I have deleted this option code from over 100 ECU's for people.

The M GPS laptimer system is complicated. If you are not willing to spend alot of time on study to this system do not get it and get an SpeedAngle Apex or AIM system.

The HP carbon pack is pretty, but it is really expensive from BMW Motorrad. You can get the exact same parts direct order from various companies a piece set at a time.

Ride modes pro, Heated grips,Cruise control,DDC, Sport muffler,Endurance chain, TPMS is not standard on the M package, its part of the Premium Package according to BMW site.TPMS is added cost
M package you get M seat, M battery and you choose what wheels, carbon or forged.

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[einzelgänger]

In my own selfish opinion, this is the best build in terms of value for money, especially when it comes to resale:

P.S. nice taste in cars too

 

[Myke]

In my own selfish opinion, this is the best build in terms of value for money, especially when it comes to resale:
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P.S. nice taste in cars too
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This is the exact build I purchased. The only thing I bought after was the solo seat cowl, unfortunately it's on back order from Germany with no release date shown.

 

[Wellcraft]

Just order the bike loaded and be done with it, a loaded bike costs more but brings more when you sell it or trade it in. Lots of great features with the performance package besides the endurance chain.

 

[boogiebot]

It’s a great bike. Just buy it. You won’t regret it. I just got mine 3 weeks ago and hit the 1000 km first service a few days ago. I love it


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[Redlinernyc]

Thanks again guys. Premium package it is!

 

[testiesalmon]

In my opinion, the best package is no package -- well, maybe the forged rims if you can't find a better option compared to BMW's markup.

I'm still not bought into the idea of cruise control, heated grips, usb etc. etc. on what is effectively a race bike. I mean, is comfort your primary concern on a bike which you should be either riding on the track at full click, or over weekends excursions to twisty canyon/mountain road? And I'd also much, much prefer good aftermarket manual suspension (which I can service myself) compared to that electronic jizzery.

But, I'm definitely an outlier opinion here. I couldn't find a base s1000rr when I was looking a year or so ago, or when I recently started looking again. Seems you'd need to request it at build. And looks like pretty much every manufacturer is going this direction. So, I'll accept the recommendations here would serve you better resell wise.

 

[Wellcraft]

In my opinion, the best package is no package -- well, maybe the forged rims if you can't find a better option compared to BMW's markup.

I'm still not bought into the idea of cruise control, heated grips, usb etc. etc. on what is effectively a race bike. I mean, is comfort your primary concern on a bike which you should be either riding on the track at full click, or over weekends excursions to twisty canyon/mountain road? And I'd also much, much prefer good aftermarket manual suspension (which I can service myself) compared to that electronic jizzery.

But, I'm definitely an outlier opinion here. I couldn't find a base s1000rr when I was looking a year or so ago, or when I recently started looking again. Seems you'd need to request it at build. And looks like pretty much every manufacturer is going this direction. So, I'll accept the recommendations here would serve you better resell wise.

In the US the vast majority of bikes are ordered with all the bells and whistles since the vast majority of buyers in the US desire all the bells and whistles and bikes that are bare bones tend to sit for a long time. Cruise control and heated grips are wonderful accessories unless you buy a bike strictly for track use, otherwise heated grips come in handy on those early spring and late fall rides were it's a bit crisp in the morning. Same goes for cruise control, for most folks you have to do a little riding first to get to the canyon roads and twisties so cruise controls is a great feature to relax your throttle hand on your way to the canyons.

 

[testiesalmon]

In the US the vast majority of bikes are ordered with all the bells and whistles since the vast majority of buyers in the US desire all the bells and whistles and bikes that are bare bones tend to sit for a long time. Cruise control and heated grips are wonderful accessories unless you buy a bike strictly for track use, otherwise heated grips come in handy on those early spring and late fall rides were it's a bit crisp in the morning. Same goes for cruise control, for most folks you have to do a little riding first to get to the canyon roads and twisties so cruise controls is a great feature to relax your throttle hand on your way to the canyons.

I dunno -- I'm still having a hard time getting my head around it. And I guess the other observation I'll make is that I see many who buy these bikes and put hardly any miles on them anyway. My sense is that a well spec'd s1000r or more commuter + sport biased bike (tuono, 1290 etc.) is where those options should be default spec. Which are still plenty fast on the street (and probably faster in most situations than a s1000rr).

But I don't want to spark an argument here on what is more or less a personal preference.

 

[zx10guy]

Also with the amount of vibration there is with the K67 handlebars, cruise control is a life saver on the streets. As I said, I didn't think I would really view these bells and whistles as anything important. But now that I have them, I won't go without them on any bike I purchase going forward. This is my street bike so it has to accommodate my needs for street duty. I'll also add the smart phone integration especially with the turn by turn navigation on the dash is just plain awesome. I really wish I have these features on my other bikes (04 ZX-10R and C650 Sport).

With my ZX-10R, can't get any more analog than what that bike delivers. And I still want the debated options on that bike.

 

[Wellcraft]

I dunno -- I'm still having a hard time getting my head around it. And I guess the other observation I'll make is that I see many who buy these bikes and put hardly any miles on them anyway. My sense is that a well spec'd s1000r or more commuter + sport biased bike (tuono, 1290 etc.) is where those options should be default spec. Which are still plenty fast on the street (and probably faster in most situations than a s1000rr).

But I don't want to spark an argument here on what is more or less a personal preference.

I've seen the same thing in regards to low mileage bikes on showroom floors waiting for a new home. I believe guys get an itch to buy a motorcycle, buy the motorcycle and then discover they really don't want a motorcycle so it sits in their garage until it finds its way back to the dealership. Another scenario is a guy buys a bike, takes it home, his better half says no so back it goes to the dealership hardly ridden. Back in 2017 when I was looking for a second bike I found a beautiful 2013/14 S1RR with a few nice accessories at the dealership with a mere 10 miles on the clock.

 

[zx10guy]

There's a 2021 Honda Goldwing DCT my dealer just took in with only 19 miles on the odometer. The listing on their website alluded to some back story but didn't go into details.

The 2016 C650 Sport I bought used in 2020 had only 1800 miles on the clock at the time.