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This is the new kid on the block https://www.raceanalyse.com/english/

It's more known in EU. No need for cables, has all needed sensors (based on what I read).

Thoughts? Looking for something portable across bikes. Avoiding cables is a plus if possible, but more importantly an intuitive UI to easily know what to look for (RK3 takes forever to learn, gotta be a full time data analyst to make good progress with it, BMW engineer gave me a tour of it and I thought its UI was horrible, supposedly the RCK4/calib kit were improved in that regard).

Main ones are Aim SOLO 2 DL and race analyze.

@speedfin you dealt with either?
 
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Easy to use. No cables required. Cheap.
I already use trackAddict on my phone. But this is just a GPS correct? Can I get insights on acceleration, braking, etc... and areas to improve? If I just wanted a laptimer, that are some good options out there.

Is the UI the track addict app or GPS comes with its own?
 

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You need a GPS beacon if your using track addict. Your phones GPS only works at 1HZ which is once a second. The linked GPS beacon will run at 10Hz so the data is much more accurate. You can travel quite a distance in 1 second at 150mph.

You'll notice that the speed icon is a drop-down under the the graph. You can change the view to braking and acceleration and it will show you where your braking. It's calculated unless you hook up extra inputs.



I used the Track addict UI to look at telemetry. I don't have time to stare at a laptop after every session at a track day.

The GPS Beacon just provides far greater data accuracy.
 

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Timely question z00. raceanalyse looks awesome and I don't object to to the subscription. After looking at their website, I find no support link or contact link. At the very least they should have a list of all tracks in their software. If they had T-Hill, Sonoma, Laguna, Buttonwillow and Big Willow listed that would be enough for me...almost. I have to spend $600+ and create an account to get support or basic questions answered? Deal breaker. None of their videos are in English. Still seems "Alpha" to me. I may actually try Track Addict. My phone is 2 years old and I don't care if it hits the ground. :laugh: All the graphs and squiggly lines on my Solo DL give me headaches. I'm not doing it right. Last year at Sonoma @smash adams showed me his data from his BMW data logger purchased from @the_gooch . In the graphic he showed me it was like reading "Dick and Jane." Watching him go through the data from his bike actually had me thinking about the Data Logger M. Off topic I know. We all input data differently. Give me a track map where I click on a location and it gives me the selected data every time. Give me f-ing squiggly lines that I have to convert to a location that is non visual? I'm not doing that.

I originally went with the Solo DL and Smarty Cam because the most relevant data was shown on screen despite crap video quality. I'm looking to upgrade too.
 

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Race Chrono is worth looking at as well for apps. The linked gps unit before works with it as does the glo2 though whether you have Android or iOS one works better than the other (this probably goes for track addict as well).

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I already use Trackaddict app, it's good for what it is, but I'm not a fan of keeping my phone in my suit or on the bike.

The two options I posted are my preference. @wfo439 race analyze site in English is not that great. It's used by a number of pros/ex-pros in EU. Their main market is not the US. Where did you see the monthly fee? A monthly fee is a dealbreaker for me. I have friends with AIM solo 2 (both laptimer and data logger), they have nothing but great things to say about it.

There are some other cheaper laptimers on Amazon that work as well. But main questions is whether to go for a data logger or is a laptimer enough?
 

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If you only want a GPS lap timer then go for just that. If you want a datalogger then AIM Solo2 DL is really great. It takes time and you have to educate yourself to take advantage of a datalogger. If you learn how to read the "lines" the gains are significant. You can see where you loose and win time and most important you can find out WHY. If you know why you go faster, you can be a better rider without to much risk.

I went for the full package AIM MXL2 dash/datalloger and I am very satisfied with the results. I can even compare my laps with other riders and discuss the results with them that also help me be a better rider. If you have a datalogger you literally can see what you did in that turn or in that part of the track. You have DATA!

Here is a very good starting point

https://www.datamc.org/
 

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This is the new kid on the block https://www.raceanalyse.com/english/

It's more known in EU. No need for cables, has all needed sensors (based on what I read).

Thoughts? Looking for something portable across bikes. Avoiding cables is a plus if possible, but more importantly an intuitive UI to easily know what to look for (RK3 takes forever to learn, gotta be a full time data analyst to make good progress with it, BMW engineer gave me a tour of it and I thought its UI was horrible, supposedly the RCK4/calib kit were improved in that regard).

Main ones are Aim SOLO 2 DL and race analyze.

@speedfin you dealt with either?
If you really want to know what you (and your bike) are doing, then the most important things are:
Twist grip position (and throttle valve position)
Front brake pressure
Lean angle
Traction control integer (if bike has TC)

So you need a datalogger which can get data from your bike, or you need a datalogger which connects to sensors/ has sensors.

Add front andrear suspension sensors, and then you know if have driven the bike to a situation where it can not do what you would it like to do. Thats the final level of data analysing.

If you want a cheap good GPS based system, then go for RaceChrono and XGPS160.
With 10 Hz GPS data acceleration graph is somewhat similar to throttle control and brake pressure+engine brake, and lateral acceleration and G-force circle gives you a some kind of idea of lean angle and what you are doing in total. And you can make data overlays to video with RaceChrono.
 

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... Give me a track map where I click on a location and it gives me the selected data every time. Give me f-ing squiggly lines that I have to convert to a location that is non visual? I'm not doing that.

I originally went with the Solo DL and Smarty Cam because the most relevant data was shown on screen despite crap video quality. I'm looking to upgrade too.

You can do many things with AIM RS3. You can manage the info in such a way that you can have the map and data beside it. You can point the map and instantly you have the data in that specific part of the circuit (screenshoot).
In the beginning it is a bit awkward but with time you get used to this kind if "riding".
As I said above you need to educate yourself to have fun with those strange lines.
 

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I already use Trackaddict app, it's good for what it is, but I'm not a fan of keeping my phone in my suit or on the bike.

The two options I posted are my preference. @wfo439 race analyze site in English is not that great. It's used by a number of pros/ex-pros in EU. Their main market is not the US. Where did you see the monthly fee? A monthly fee is a dealbreaker for me. I
I Just clicked the "Online shop" link at the bottom. In the price at the top it say "includes 1 year data and telemetry. At the bottom: "After the first year the cost for the Data and Application Service, including server maintenance is in average EUR 45.- to 95.- per Year, depending on the amount of usage."
 

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After looking into various systems I went with Aim Solo 2. I wanted something I can see on bike after each session, not use a phone, no monthly subscription.

It was a tough dilemma between Solo 2 and DL (data logger version). After I learned basic one still does predictive laptimes, shows +/- laps. I did not see the need for DL. Yes, more data is better from DL to see TP and brakes. But I get similar data based on accel/decl without dealing with ECU cables, laptops, and software to look at stuff. Every session usually I'm working on one thing, knowing its effect on my laptimes is all I need to know. It has two columns of LED lights on sides, green means faster than before, red is slower. What a great way to know right away! Customizable pages if default ones are not enough.

I plan to hardwire Solo 2 to aux power, so don't have to worry about recharging it. I prop never remove it from the bike.
 
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After looking into various systems I went with Aim Solo 2. I wanted something I can see on bike after each session, not use a phone, no monthly subscription.

It was a tough dilemma between Solo 2 and DL (data logger version). After I learned basic one still does predictive laptimes, shows +/- laps. I did not see the need for DL. Yes, more data is better from DL to see TP and brakes. But I get similar data based on accel/decl without dealing with ECU cables, laptops, and software to look at stuff. Every session usually I'm working on one thing, knowing its effect on my laptimes is all I need to know. It has two columns of LED lights on sides, green means faster than before, red is slower. What a great way to know right away! Customizable pages if default ones are not enough.

I plan to hardwire Solo 2 to aux power, so don't have to worry about recharging it. I prop never remove it from the bike.
So with non-DL you do not have to use ECU cables, laptops, and software to look at stuff (data based on accel/decl)?
 

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Do you need PC/ Lap-Top to be able use RC3 software?
You can see some basic things in your dash/datalloger (if it has a screen) like laps, top speeds, Satellite cover etc. The real power of the software is the ability to use Math channels and combine data to see more data:grin2:. Those math channels can be visualized in your screen if the datalogger has this ability (MXL2, MXS, MXP, MXG etc)

One example is the calculation of Squat, trailbraking and so many other things. If you are good with maths and physic you can do sooo many things.

For those things to be done yes you need a Laptop/PC
 

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For those things to be done yes you need a Laptop/PC
Exact reason I picked Solo 2 basic. Shows me what I need on the screen right away, no hassle with anything else. Even if I'm good at math/phy and telemetry data, I don't get how riders will find the time to finish a session, put bike on warmers, eat/drink something, then connect to laptimer, analyze data for the next session. It would be overwhelming and we ain't pros lol. It could work during lunch maybe, but I like to take a nap or a massage during lunch :grin2:

I have many rider friends with all kind of fancy dataloggers and dashes, not even a single one gets a laptop out and analyzes the data. When I asked why? They said "too much work, maybe at home", by the time one is at home, most of what they were working on is erased from short term memory. The only riders that make good use of data loggers are pro guys with their dedicated engineers. We have few of them running at VIR, RA, Barber, etc...
 
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