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Have you seen the new CARDO SCALA RIDER PACKTALK SLIM?

It looks to be a real SENA "killer".

Being voice activated, you never have to use your hands again.
It's only 6.5mm thick!

See the list of helmet this thing is compatible with:
https://www.cardosystems.com/packtalkslim-compatible/

Revzilla has a video on this.
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/cardo-packtalk-slim-headset

Regrettably their website tells me they wont ship it out to Australia; so I'm not sure where I'll be getting one come July 1st.
 

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I use Sena 3S. Everything is integrated in the speakers, and the controls are minuscule. The only consideration is the speakers require a bit deeper pockets. Arai Defiant hosts them well.
 

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I use Sena 3S.
Well I didn't know about the 3S until you pointed it out.

I've been looking at the 3S-W through the day . . . . I really like the size and the price. It's probably all I really need . . . . . but that's it like at speed.

There's a guy on YouTube with a series of demonstrations about SENA 30K vs. Cardo PACKTALK.

I'm much, much more of a solo rider than a group rider. So the mesh network is not the main selling point for me what has got me going :eek: is the YouTube clip about cancelling wind noise:

I like to cruise in the upper KPH range . . . . as much as I can get away with.

What's your experience stgatev of hearing the 3S above the wind noise?
 

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Well I didn't know about the 3S until you pointed it out.

I've been looking at the 3S-W through the day . . . . I really like the size and the price. It's probably all I really need . . . . . but that's it like at speed.

There's a guy on YouTube with a series of demonstrations about SENA 30K vs. Cardo PACKTALK.

I'm much, much more of a solo rider than a group rider. So the mesh network is not the main selling point for me what has got me going :eek: is the YouTube clip about cancelling wind noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4Me51cMNs&list=PLZOEeUZ5G-Tq1qBnQQUCQ8H-uKHTuxTTV&index=4

I like to cruise in the upper KPH range . . . . as much as I can get away with.

What's your experience stgatev of hearing the 3S above the wind noise?
I use the Sena 3S for music, navigation, and radar detector warnings. I wear Arai helmet, which are not known for quietness. I also wear quality, well sealing earplugs. I can still hear the music and voice at 80 mph. It is my first and only helmet speaker system, so I cannot compare the sound quality to other systems, but to me it is adequate. I can use navigation, take calls, listen to tunes, get radar warnings, etc. while riding, with my phone sitting in my backpack.

I have not tried the rider-to-rider features, as I mostly ride solo, so I cannot comment on that. I believe there is ability to pair to other intercoms, as well as use the Sena rider app, but have never attempted either.

I bought a "supplies kit" (velcro and double-sided tape) when I moved the system between helmets. It costs $3.95. I also got a magnetic micro USB charging adapter (Wsken brand) as to not damage the port while charging. I have not ran out of juice while on the ride. My guess is that the battery will last about as long as your phone's, and I recharge it after every 2-3 hours of active use.

All in all, a very inconspicuous little system, very usable. I am currently shopping for a new helmet, and have not even for a moment thought about installing a different set of speakers into it. I guess that confirms my confidence in the 3S.
 

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I have two Arai helmets I switch between and I bought a second mounting kit, so I can just switch the actual unit over and not have to deal with removing and re-installing it every time.
It works great when in line of sight between riders, trees and other things between riders will cause it to temporarily drop.
Pairing is problematic, especially between different Sena models, once in a while it forces us to unfortunately give up though.

I was the one who talked some friends into getting a Sena, and I catch the flak when they're so hard to pair up!
 

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I just installed Cardo Packtalk Slim in my new X-14 helmet. I was a bit concerned about the battery rubbing my neck, but none of the reviewers seemed concerned with it so I went ahead and got one.

Initial impressions: it is a bit quieter than my Sena 3S. I thought it would be louder thanks to the standalone speakers and bigger battery, but the Sena is louder. I am not talking about sound quality, as I don't have any expectations in that regard, just volume. On the other hand, the X-14 is quieter than my Arai so I can still hear the Cardo.

I am still learning it so cannot offer much insight into the features, other than that it pairs with my phone, starts, stops, and I hear the radar detector alerts.
 

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I had the 10R as well, it's the worst about connecting with other Sena models and has the shortest range of all of them.
The profile is why I originally bought it tho.

We would try to pair this, and two other Sena models, it was awful and most of the time we had to give up and drop the guy with the 10R.
 

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I just installed Cardo Packtalk Slim in my new X-14 helmet. I was a bit concerned about the battery rubbing my neck, but none of the reviewers seemed concerned with it so I went ahead and got one.

Initial impressions: it is a bit quieter than my Sena 3S. I thought it would be louder thanks to the standalone speakers and bigger battery, but the Sena is louder. I am not talking about sound quality, as I don't have any expectations in that regard, just volume. On the other hand, the X-14 is quieter than my Arai so I can still hear the Cardo.

I am still learning it so cannot offer much insight into the features, other than that it pairs with my phone, starts, stops, and I hear the radar detector alerts.
Does your radar detector have built in bluetooth? Will RD alerts come in above music from your phone?

Thanks!
 

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Does your radar detector have built in bluetooth? Will RD alerts come in above music from your phone?

Thanks!
At the time of my post, I was running Valentine One, with a Bluetooth LE module, and JBV1 app on my Android phone. You pair the phone to the helmet, and phone to the BT module for the detector. The JBV1 app is great; highly customizable, and yes, the alerts play over the music.

I now have Escort Max 360c, which has a built-in BT module, and running Escort app, which is a real crap. Some alerts are played via the phone audio, but most are not.
 

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I now have Escort Max 360c, which has a built-in BT module, and running Escort app, which is a real crap. Some alerts are played via the phone audio, but most are not.
Well that's worrisome, my radar purchase was going to be an Escort.
 

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At the time of my post, I was running Valentine One, with a Bluetooth LE module, and JBV1 app on my Android phone. You pair the phone to the helmet, and phone to the BT module for the detector. The JBV1 app is great; highly customizable, and yes, the alerts play over the music.

I now have Escort Max 360c, which has a built-in BT module, and running Escort app, which is a real crap. Some alerts are played via the phone audio, but most are not.
Well that's worrisome, my radar purchase was going to be an Escort.
I can't comment on motorcycle use as I've never used my radar detector on my bike, but I've had a Valentine 1 in my car for 7 years. Best piece of equipment out there in my opinion. The range is excellent, and having the arrows tell you where the signal is coming from is unparalleled when contrasted to its competitors which lack that feature.

The V1 has saved me from many 100+mph tickets back in my more "excitable" years on roadtrips or just out having some fun on empty highways. Additionally it's saved my a$$ in the twisties. Haven't gotten much use out of it since I moved to CA, the cops seem to care about more important things out here lol. But every once in a while it pays for itself.

@stgatev, how did you have your V1 mounted on your bike? Have any pics leftover from when you had it?
 

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Well that's worrisome, my radar purchase was going to be an Escort.
Escort has some advantages over V1. Its BSM filter just as good if not better, and is completely integrated. V1 does not have a built-in GPS so in a city is pretty much useless without the JBV1 app to handle the lockouts.

The BT transmitters on both V1 and Escort are for data, not audio. Escort has an audio jack, and you can get a BT audio transmitter and pair it to the helmet, and do not use the Escort app at all.
 

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@stgatev, how did you have your V1 mounted on your bike? Have any pics leftover from when you had it?
I could not find photos, but I had it mounted in the cowling under the intake. It was completely hidden. I lost the laser detection, and most of the rear radar detection, but it was 100% stealth. I had a BT LE module, and a V1 remote display HVB-taped to the dash.
 

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Escort has some advantages over V1. Its BSM filter just as good if not better, and is completely integrated. V1 does not have a built-in GPS so in a city is pretty much useless without the JBV1 app to handle the lockouts.

The BT transmitters on both V1 and Escort are for data, not audio. Escort has an audio jack, and you can get a BT audio transmitter and pair it to the helmet, and do not use the Escort app at all.
I just turned off K band and X band permanently. No cops use them near me (or in any of the states I've ever traveled to) so now I only get false-alarms from Volvos and Mazdas with their laser collision avoidance systems. No noise when going by Best Buy or Target.
 

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I had a chat with an S1000RR owner who is running a full ALP system in his bike.

The ALP app is apparently bang on with bluetooth to the helmet. ALP also is the only jammer I've personally confirmed to jam DragonEye laser.

That said, my local PD tends to shoot shoulders on motorcyclists, so I'm not sure where I'll need to mount the jammers to defeat that.
 

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At the time of my post, I was running Valentine One, with a Bluetooth LE module, and JBV1 app on my Android phone. You pair the phone to the helmet, and phone to the BT module for the detector. The JBV1 app is great; highly customizable, and yes, the alerts play over the music.

I now have Escort Max 360c, which has a built-in BT module, and running Escort app, which is a real crap. Some alerts are played via the phone audio, but most are not.
I have used the Escort Max 360 on my sport-tourer (K1300S) for the past year and a half. I agree that Escort's app is crap. It gives audio alerts, but not in a useful way. I want the audio tones you get out of the detector (better on the Valentine) that differentiate band, intensity and direction, but all you get is the singular beep. The phone app display doesn't include the detectors visuals, and you are pretty much forced to look at the detector itself for the relevant info. Very disappointing.

I sent them a detailed message about what the app needs, especially for bikers, but they are pretty useless.

How much better is the JBV1 app? Does it do what we need?
 

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Compared to the Escort app, JBV1 is light years ahead. Simply incomparable. Isn't it amazing that a single developer can create a much better app than a team of engineers, project managers, testers, and product managers.
Thanks. That's helpful.

The one thing I like about Escort Live is that it socializes alerts so that you get alerted when other nearby users get an alert within a specified timeframe. This is good for instant-on Ka band alerts and critical for lidar (lidar alerts are otherwise useless). However, the usefulness of the feature is reduced by the relatively small number of active users and the crappy app otherwise.
 
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