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So now that a few have had their 2020 RR's for a week or more, I wanted to see what build / quality issues ( if any) anyone has experienced. I have a couple issues and want to see if they are isolated to my bike or maybe a more wide spread problem for BMW.

1. I am getting a "clunk" sound from the front fork/shock when rolling over small consecutive bumps on the road. It is most noticeable when I let off the throttle and come to a rolling stop at a stop light or sign. As the shock compresses and rebounds and absorbs the bumps it gives a clunk clunk clunk sound ( if you will) . It almost sounds like plastic rattle and I thought it was maybe a rattle from some plastics but discovered that is not the case. When I turn the ignition on and the suspension de-compresses ( if you will ) I can bounce the front end up and down and the clunk persists upon each rebound / compression. Just doesn't sound normal to me. Can you guys / gals be so kind as to bounce your machine front end up and down with ignition on and tell me if you hear a persistent noise upon each compression / rebound. It seems to be the left ( ddc side) making the noise but hard to tell. I just can't see it being normal on this machine.

2. Bike sputters and dies upon cold starts. It acts as if a cylinder is flooded or injector stuck open? Anyone else having cold start issues? after a couple tries , it seems to idle out and run better. I am still not sure if it is idling smoothly even after it warms up. seems a bit rough but not severe by any means.

3. Poor throttle response / power between 6-8 k rpm in 2-3 gear. Is this the emissions control doing it's thing? very noticeable and unacceptable as far as I am concerned. Happy to buy the $2k titanium exhaust but concerned with engine light being on. Flash? ugh . Anyone else noticing this issue between 6-8 k rpm? did it go away when the bike was "unlocked"? I wouldn't think so but fishing for an explanation.

4. The ticking and engine noise ( especially upon start-up) doesn't overly concern me yet until BMW says theres a problem. I read a couple threads about insufficient oil pathways due to a milling depth problem but honestly don't remember the whole story without looking again. But I will say that the sound mine makes upon initial start-up ( once it finally starts) is a lot different than the sound it makes a few seconds later after the engine is running for 10 seconds or so. I am no mechanic and apologize for the Layman description of what I am experiencing. Could be tight tolerances from a new engine? or lack of oil in the places it needs to be lubricating? Or nothing at all to worry about just normal noisy BMW engine.

5. I am scheduled for my run-in check / unlock this tuesday with my semi-local dealership ( gateway BMW St. Louis) and have described all the above issues with them already but honestly , I doubt they know anymore about this bike than most of you guys. Not knocking their mechanical abilities at all. They do great work and have taken care of me so far with all my purchases from them. I do know They had a couple training sessions but its all new to them as well so they really have nothing to compare my bike to which is understandable but scary as well. sounds like they may connect computers with BMW directly the see what its doing if necessary with regard to the sputtering on cold starts / injector testing.

I really don't want my new 2020 rr pulled apart for anything! I guess one step at a time...

But do Love the 3 year 36k warranty ( just in case)

Other than these issues , great bike so far. ( BUTT that M seat has got to go!)

Maybe I can try to upload some sound / video later? oh boy that sounds like a technical challenge for me!



Thank you in advance. I hope to hear from new 2020 RR owners on this and more.
 

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So now that a few have had their 2020 RR's for a week or more, I wanted to see what build / quality issues ( if any) anyone has experienced. I have a couple issues and want to see if they are isolated to my bike or maybe a more wide spread problem for BMW.

Thank you in advance. I hope to hear from new 2020 RR owners on this and more.
1. I haven't heard any strange noises from the forks, but I also normally have ear plugs in and listen to music, so I won't say there isn't any just that I haven't noticed it.

2&3. Yes, the bike has issues with cold starts and issues with throttle response. I spoke with more than one person who has the full Akra on and the bike unlocked and neither fix the issue. There's obviously a massive opportunity for tuning this bike is my guess...I am doing dyno runs on Friday and plan to at least take AFR readings so I can start building a map once things become available for it.

4. There's definitely a ticking noise, but I'm not sure that I'm concerned about it yet.
 

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Also experiencing that it is sputtering and dies upon cold starts.
There are also some throttle/tuning behavior unlike the older models (also have a 15) if you whack the throttle on the older models in the middle of the rev range in lower gears it hits you like a sledgehammer but this bike does not do that. This however has to be intentional by BMW.
 

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I agree. 2020 Doesn't accelerate as hard in lower gears mid rpm like my 15, or 17 RR. Just feels off. Not feeling the extra ponies on the low end. And the cold start sputter is concerning and annoying.
Thanks for sharing.
 

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This is frustrating.

As I understand it, the very reason for the shift cam is to provide additional mid-range torque. The bike should truly take off at mid-range RPMs and threaten to kill you.
 

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So now that a few have had their 2020 RR's for a week or more, I wanted to see what build / quality issues ( if any) anyone has experienced. I have a couple issues and want to see if they are isolated to my bike or maybe a more wide spread problem for BMW.

1. I am getting a "clunk" sound from the front fork/shock when rolling over small consecutive bumps on the road. It is most noticeable when I let off the throttle and come to a rolling stop at a stop light or sign. As the shock compresses and rebounds and absorbs the bumps it gives a clunk clunk clunk sound ( if you will) . It almost sounds like plastic rattle and I thought it was maybe a rattle from some plastics but discovered that is not the case. When I turn the ignition on and the suspension de-compresses ( if you will ) I can bounce the front end up and down and the clunk persists upon each rebound / compression. Just doesn't sound normal to me. Can you guys / gals be so kind as to bounce your machine front end up and down with ignition on and tell me if you hear a persistent noise upon each compression / rebound. It seems to be the left ( ddc side) making the noise but hard to tell. I just can't see it being normal on this machine.

2. Bike sputters and dies upon cold starts. It acts as if a cylinder is flooded or injector stuck open? Anyone else having cold start issues? after a couple tries , it seems to idle out and run better. I am still not sure if it is idling smoothly even after it warms up. seems a bit rough but not severe by any means.

3. Poor throttle response / power between 6-8 k rpm in 2-3 gear. Is this the emissions control doing it's thing? very noticeable and unacceptable as far as I am concerned. Happy to buy the $2k titanium exhaust but concerned with engine light being on. Flash? ugh . Anyone else noticing this issue between 6-8 k rpm? did it go away when the bike was "unlocked"? I wouldn't think so but fishing for an explanation.

4. The ticking and engine noise ( especially upon start-up) doesn't overly concern me yet until BMW says theres a problem. I read a couple threads about insufficient oil pathways due to a milling depth problem but honestly don't remember the whole story without looking again. But I will say that the sound mine makes upon initial start-up ( once it finally starts) is a lot different than the sound it makes a few seconds later after the engine is running for 10 seconds or so. I am no mechanic and apologize for the Layman description of what I am experiencing. Could be tight tolerances from a new engine? or lack of oil in the places it needs to be lubricating? Or nothing at all to worry about just normal noisy BMW engine.

5. I am scheduled for my run-in check / unlock this tuesday with my semi-local dealership ( gateway BMW St. Louis) and have described all the above issues with them already but honestly , I doubt they know anymore about this bike than most of you guys. Not knocking their mechanical abilities at all. They do great work and have taken care of me so far with all my purchases from them. I do know They had a couple training sessions but its all new to them as well so they really have nothing to compare my bike to which is understandable but scary as well. sounds like they may connect computers with BMW directly the see what its doing if necessary with regard to the sputtering on cold starts / injector testing.

I really don't want my new 2020 rr pulled apart for anything! I guess one step at a time...

But do Love the 3 year 36k warranty ( just in case)

Other than these issues , great bike so far. ( BUTT that M seat has got to go!)

Maybe I can try to upload some sound / video later? oh boy that sounds like a technical challenge for me!



Thank you in advance. I hope to hear from new 2020 RR owners on this and more.

I have 1480 miles on my 2020 now today. I have already burned off 2 front tires and on my 3rd rear today. I am pretty sure if it was going to blow up it would by now.

1> I do not have any clunk noise consistently. I think, I did hear something like that upon going over a speed bump once and it surprised me I heard it, but, just figured it was the speed bump causing most of it.
2> Mine does not sputter and did not any time during the break in miles either. I have run 2 full bottles of Lucas Fuel injection cleaner in my fuel as well. I wanted to be sure if there was any injector issues from sitting on the shelf or trip from Germany to USA they got clean.
3> The throttle response is due to USA EPA requesting some limitation on carbon foot print. I guess this is how BMW engineers decided to do it. I have talked with 2 people in the Europe coded ECU bikes that indicate it is not as bad as it sounds like it is going on with the USA coded models. I have the ECE code, and I have decided I will try it this next week. I am pretty tired of my dead spot in 2 and 3 gears for sure.
4> Those ticks. Sounds like a bad shim adjustment. Mine started at 400 miles. It was perfectly quiet up to 400 there about miles. All the sudden it was like oil was missing from the top end. I rode with 2 other ///M bikes today. See pic of all of us getting rest and fuel. One has only 150 miles and the other is at 380. Neither ticks as loud as mine. However, the one with 380 miles is starting now. @bennymx posted he inquired about it with a rep and the short story is that the shift cam technology is making the noise. I really hope BennyMX can get the long version of this story. Like what the heck is loose and sounds like it is going to come apart. Mine actually stops if you Rev up the engine to 4K RPM. But the idle to 2-3K is unreal loud.
5> Even the DFW HP certified BMW did not know nor care that I had a tick in my engine. He said ride like you stole it and bring it back if it blows up. I did have them write on my service work order CUSTOMER made complaint about loud ticking in engine. Service Tech said nothing was wrong with it.
6> The seat is hard as a brick. I raced superbike for 4 years and I never used that stupid foam one layer pad on my race body kit. I like a real seat for my butt to sit on and be somewhat comfortable.

 

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I agree. 2020 Doesn't accelerate as hard in lower gears mid rpm like my 15, or 17 RR. Just feels off. Not feeling the extra ponies on the low end. And the cold start sputter is concerning and annoying.
Thanks for sharing.
I have a 15 and 18 both with RCK3 / HP Power kit. I can assure you that both will out perform this K67 at 0-140 MPH using the 2 and 3 gears. No extra ponies in USA version. At 10K this thing comes alive, at 12k you better be holding on to 14K.. it will out rocket my 15 and 18 from 12k to 14k.

The other thing no one has mentioned.. the FLUTTERING sound. That annoying frogger flutter on hard acceleration especially in the 2 and 3rd gears, but it does in 4th also. Not so much in 5 and 6.

I removed the EVAP can on the left side since I put the radiator guards on and thought maybe the sound was flutter inside that thing but it did not help one bit removing it.

The foam does not appear to be in the air box like the 17/18/19 K46 had, so that is not fluttering around inside there it appears.
 
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I am pretty tired of my dead spot in 2 and 3 gears for sure.
Are you convinced this is coding and not something else, such as the design of the throttle body?

I ask as I have changed intakes, throttle bodies, and the like on cars with wonderful improvements. That is, the original part was holding the engine back, not the tune.
 

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Are you convinced this is coding and not something else, such as the design of the throttle body?

I ask as I have changed intakes, throttle bodies, and the like on cars with wonderful improvements. That is, the original part was holding the engine back, not the tune.
its 100% computer control coded. If you request 100% at the twist grip, but you are in 1 / 2 / 3 gears, the ECU can do only what the coding tells it to do.. like open the throttle blades 50%.

what really needs to happen is I need to put my HP datalogger on the bike and log what happens between Grip Control and TB request. I just been too busy messing with everything else to even try to put that on there and see if I need to update the AnnaLiza for it to even work on the 2020.
 

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This sounds like something they did on the K12/K13 series(but mechanically). Made a huge difference on my K13 when I got the restriction removed for gears 1/2/3.
 

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its 100% computer control coded.
This was my hope.

It sounds like BMW got it wrong in its coding of power delivery. I understand the desire to make the power controllable, but a liter bike should never feel like it is falling on its face.

It will be fun to see what you come up with.
 

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So I've finally opened my bike up(street racing, straight line racing older gen s1k's and others) an like you guys feels like a 300cc in 2nd 3rd gear around 5k-7k rpm. It's shocking to me, and if I could be totally honest it's embarrassing. Around here riders like to roll race. 2nd gear 40mph and I'm getting left behind by every bike. Make no mistake about it, at around 9k upwards I'm eating everything up. Just walking them all down. On a closed course track I can only imagine the disadvantage this is. I have been holding out hope that Brentuning or someone will have a flash soon so I can buy the full exhaust and get her tuned hopefully have the kinks worked out.
 

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its 100% computer control coded. If you request 100% at the twist grip, but you are in 1 / 2 / 3 gears, the ECU can do only what the coding tells it to do.. like open the throttle blades 50%.

what really needs to happen is I need to put my HP datalogger on the bike and log what happens between Grip Control and TB request. I just been too busy messing with everything else to even try to put that on there and see if I need to update the AnnaLiza for it to even work on the 2020.

suzuki definitely did this on the new gsxr, brock made a good video showing how the factory tuning limits to something like only 70% throttlebody opening even when the grip is 100% open

wouldnt be surprised if bmw did something similar
 

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This was my hope.

It sounds like BMW got it wrong in its coding of power delivery. I understand the desire to make the power controllable, but a liter bike should never feel like it is falling on its face.

It will be fun to see what you come up with.
Coding is most likely not "wrong" but restrictive to meet whatever regulation hurdles they are up against.

It was bad enough designing stuff for EnergyStar and Title24 in my last job. I can only imagine new DOT and EPA regs. Last Automotive projects were headaches too just for lighting.
 

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This is extremely concerning about the torque missing in gears 2,3. I use those gears a lot at the track. However, Cory Call was lapping the demo bike and it ballistically fast compared to my '16 and I have shorter gearing.
@BMW_388

Is it annoying to install the EURO code?
 

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This is extremely concerning about the torque missing in gears 2,3. I use those gears a lot at the track. However, Cory Call was lapping the demo bike and it ballistically fast compared to my '16 and I have shorter gearing.
@BMW_388

Is it annoying to install the EURO code?
I am testing and working on it today.
 

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The US Specs are the same as the Euro spec 1,3,4,5,6, Power delivery. except second gear, because of the California emissions and noise regulations. I'm told if you get the Alpha map from Germany it will fix the second gear issue falling on its face in low RPM's in second gear.

One of the first things I'm going to MOD on the New 3 Gen Bike.
 
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