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There might be a shop here or there that could flash it, but none of the standard companies have a flash tune or piggy back product available for purchase as of today. Alpha, Bazzaz, and DynoJet dont even have a K67 page listed. BrenTuning has a place marker but no available products. BMW_388 is the only individual I am aware of that has made any ground with the new ECU and has offered his services. Even then, I don't think he has full access to the mapping as of yet.
Also, this true?! I know you said all gears, but I figured the focus of that statement referred to the previously lackluster 2nd and 3rd gears.
I have the full exhaust tune for the ECU. Its a long story on what I have so it is not information for release. I have now tested the coding about 200 miles with the stock exhaust, and I really wanted the Arrow Exhaust solution but they do not answer my ETA questions in emails so far. So I was waiting on it to test with before I start indicating I have the additional full tune solution.

Alpha Germany wants to sell you a ECU , Motec cluster, and wiring harness solution. That is $5000, and the wiring harness is not available still so you will really be a preorder / back order.

I have already explained in the K46 / K67 difference thread that BAZZZ and Power Commander are having to remake wiring harness for sure, and maybe even the PC boards inside the piggy back boxes. The injectors in the throttle bodies are completely different in the connections. I have not tried to research the exact injector it is, but it may even need a completely different electronics driver on the PCB. That is a huge amount of work for even a company like DynoJet.
 

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I have the full exhaust tune for the ECU. Its a long story on what I have so it is not information for release. I have now tested the coding about 200 miles with the stock exhaust, and I really wanted the Arrow Exhaust solution but they do not answer my ETA questions in emails so far. So I was waiting on it to test with before I start indicating I have the additional full tune solution.

Alpha Germany wants to sell you a ECU , Motec cluster, and wiring harness solution. That is $5000, and the wiring harness is not available still so you will really be a preorder / back order.

I have already explained in the K46 / K67 difference thread that BAZZZ and Power Commander are having to remake wiring harness for sure, and maybe even the PC boards inside the piggy back boxes. The injectors in the throttle bodies are completely different in the connections. I have not tried to research the exact injector it is, but it may even need a completely different electronics driver on the PCB. That is a huge amount of work for even a company like DynoJet.
Now you're talking. Looking forward to updates from you.
 

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As I said, nothing available as of now. :p

@BMW_388, I apologize if I misspoke, I've seen some posts where you have requested user's PM you regarding your XWORKS coding, I wrongly assumed aspects of it were available. Conversely, I don't remember the exact verbiage, but I saw you mention it's highly confidential as members in the past have stolen the fruits of your labors. I don't code, so forgive my ignorance, but couldn't you encrypt your coding the same ways OEM's do, but with an independent algorithm? Lastly, whats the word on these 6th gear powa whoolies?
 

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I just went out and did my 2nd test on top end speed on the cluster. its 193MPH. That is the 2nd time I have hit 193 and it is all will go. My K46 would go 196, so i guess not too bad. The bike gets the front tire too much up in the air at these speeds. The front needs to be strapped down just a bit to be more stable.

I dont own a GoPro so no video unfortunately.

Ok, I just downloaded the datalogger data so I will update how the numbers come up in Stock ECU vs XWORKS

STOCK ECU > CLUSTER Reads 186 MPH top speed is all it will go. I hit it twice.
267KM on Datalogger which showed 166MPH on datalogger too.
179 MPH on the STI Laptimer

XWORKS ECU > CLUSTER Reads 193 MPH top speed is all it will go. I hit it twice.
288KM on the DataLogger which also showed 179MPH
186 on the STI Laptimer

Just for bragging rights, I did a K46 RCK3 / HP power kit'ed ECU in Florida that does that roll on 1 mile top speed deal. He was stuck at 196 too and with my ECU flash, it went 205MPH he indicated. The K46 needs alot more aero to be much faster top speed.

WTB: I want to buy someone's STOCK K67 exhaust. Anyone that just removed it for the Akra install and wants to sell shoot me a PM on price.
 

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I just went out and did my 2nd test on top end speed on the cluster. its 193MPH. That is the 2nd time I have hit 193 and it is all will go. My K46 would go 196, so i guess not too bad. The bike gets the front tire too much up in the air at these speeds. The front needs to be strapped down just a bit to be more stable.
So.... you are saying you just did a 193mph wheelie... and then went and did it again?
 

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I just went out and did my 2nd test on top end speed on the cluster. its 193MPH. That is the 2nd time I have hit 193 and it is all will go. My K46 would go 196, so i guess not too bad. The bike gets the front tire too much up in the air at these speeds. The front needs to be strapped down just a bit to be more stable.
I'd prefer it if someone came out with a race fairing with a little more down force. Maybe even wings. :surprise: Do you think the extremely short (height wise) windscreen has anything to do with the lower top speed. Even with my chin on the tank my helmet is a few inches above the screen. There is nothing to tuck in under. The only other 2020 owner I know already purchased BMW's taller windscreen.
 

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Everyone needs to pitch in some coin and get @BMW_388 some steakhouse gift cards. I don't think many realize how much time and effort he has sunk into developing the K46 and K67 flashes.

Some might say, well he makes $ selling them. I think you would be surprised in how much money he has invested in hardware for these endeavors just to make sure we have good clean flashes. Where are the competitors??? Remember who actually did the legwork first....
 

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I'd prefer it if someone came out with a race fairing with a little more down force. Maybe even wings. :surprise: Do you think the extremely short (height wise) windscreen has anything to do with the lower top speed. Even with my chin on the tank my helmet is a few inches above the screen. There is nothing to tuck in under. The only other 2020 owner I know already purchased BMW's taller windscreen.

At 191 it stumbled to get to 193. The worse problem of course is the road in the middle of almost no where I go to and make this 1 mile high speed run. Its straight, but is sure not smooth. I pulled the front wheel today and rebalanced the assembly. This helped a little in feel at least. I put less than an ounce straight across from the TPMS stem.

The power on this engine at 12K is really good up to the 14000 and the ECU is allowing to 14695 soft banging. Quite the better feel as to how the K46 banged the limiter.

I never actually hit the limiter in 6th gear. I was running out of road, and the front was just moving around to much. Pull the mirrors, strap the front down at least 1 inch, slightly taller wind screen, and for me, clip ons that get your wrists and shoulders tucked in better. I hate the angle of these clip ons right now. I have not been to the track yet to see if there is some benefit there over the K46 position and better tuck. Anyway, might see 196-198 on the cluster with some aero improvements.
 

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Everyone needs to pitch in some coin and get @BMW_388 some steakhouse gift cards. I don't think many realize how much time and effort he has sunk into developing the K46 and K67 flashes.

Some might say, well he makes $ selling them. I think you would be surprised in how much money he has invested in hardware for these endeavors just to make sure we have good clean flashes. Where are the competitors??? Remember who actually did the legwork first....
I’m a Briggs and Stratton master service tech, Kohler expert tech, Honda certified tech, Husqvarna auto mower tech, Fisher snow plow intermediate tech, the list goes on. Between training and tool purchases customer don’t understand that I spend a lot to make a little. BMW 388, we appreciate you and all that you do.
 

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My stock cluster maxed out at 192 on my k67. I believe that is the max the stock ecu will display. 188 GPS confirmed on the 1st run. 2nd test gave me 193 GPS confirmation on a standalone Garmin handheld. Dash would not move past 192 both times.
 

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Rode the bike for first time with limiter off. It's almost worse now the flat spot. The bike in tight twisties is simply unrideable. Really makes me miss the old RR. It's flat fr 6 to 8.5k rpm at full open throttle and then it jerks in your face. Basically goes from 10% power to 100% with same throttle input. It's awful. Also happen to be riding with a 2018 R1M with full titanium exhaust and no flash and got served on all pulls (2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th) at about 80mph, all above the flat spots in 2nd and 3rd. I stayed close on the 5th gear roll, bikes and bikes behind on the others. Also have the full Akra and no flash....
And before you ask rolls were properly done.
I'm thoroughly disappointed with this bike after first ride with rev limiter off.


Point of me posting in this thread is if you are considering this bike know that a flash that at the very least takes 2nd and 3rd gear restrictions off is not an option. It's absolutely mandatory.

You can get around it at the track but in canyons it's simply debilitating. I will be getting mine flashed if I can be assured I can retain warranty somehow with OP @bmw_.... system.... Otherwise I will be selling the bike in the next few weeks.
 

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From what I read, the restrictions on the US bikes are unacceptable. I know flashes are in the works but should you really need to void your warranty and risk other problems just because BMW got lazy/rushed compliance work? I think people should start writing to BMW that this is utter crap what they did. Maybe get the word into some magazines also. So BMW feels some pressure and provides a fix from their side (if possible). You don't buy a Sportbike just to get one that misses half the power at times. Why should people be OK with this?

And as mentioned, people should be greatful that guys like BMW_388 are around to save everyone's bacon!
 

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From what I read, the restrictions on the US bikes are unacceptable. I know flashes are in the works but should you really need to void your warranty and risk other problems just because BMW got lazy/rushed compliance work? I think people should start writing to BMW that this is utter crap what they did. Maybe get the word into some magazines also. So BMW feels some pressure and provides a fix from their side (if possible). You don't buy a Sportbike just to get one that misses half the power at times. Why should people be OK with this?

And as mentioned, people should be greatful that guys like BMW_388 are around to save everyone's bacon!
I agree totally! I'm soooooo unsatisfied with this bike. I hate to bash it because I've waited for this K67 over 24months but I have to call it like I see it. I do digs and I got totally SMACKED all night an BMW was the laughing stock of the 30 or so bikes 1week ago. Deep down really upset me because I know the issue an we all spoke on it. Unfortunately I'm going to have to flash it an put an exhaust on it, dealership already told me VOIDS WARRANTY 100%. So I've bought a 24k USD bike with no warranty hurts the heart.
 

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WTB: I want to buy someone's STOCK K67 exhaust. Anyone that just removed it for the Akra install and wants to sell shoot me a PM on price.
Check out 650ib on YouTube. He just did a video on switching out the exhaust for the full Akra, and mentioned that it was going to the dumpster. Maybe that was just for the video and he still has it! Reach out to him on his YouTube or Instagram pages.
 

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Any so called journalists, BMW employees and sadly even @Dylan Code can't be counted on to tell the truth about this bike. :frown2: The 2020 has a "flex frame" for a reason. :wink2:
Sorry don't have time to read the whole thread and see what you are referring to, what do you mean "tell the truth about this bike?"
 

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Sorry don't have time to read the whole thread and see what you are referring to, what do you mean "tell the truth about this bike?"
Hey, Dylan...there seems to be a (perhaps minority) view that your business and BMW are sufficiently close to preclude objectivity regarding this new RR on your part. I think that's what's driving this.

I'm neutral on this, but that's what I think is going on...:)

Not liking what I'm hearing about this new bike, though.
 

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Hey, Dylan...there seems to be a (perhaps minority) view that your business and BMW are sufficiently close to preclude objectivity regarding this new RR on your part. I think that's what's driving this.

I'm neutral on this, but that's what I think is going on...:)

Not liking what I'm hearing about this new bike, though.
In 2008 we were sponsored by Kawasaki and they came out with a new ZX6R and there was some sort of problem with the valve buckets. Turned out that there was something wrong with Kawasaki's supplier for these parts and we had 3 bikes with issues as a result. Time went forward and it was literally only those 3 bikes and the problem never appeared again. We have been dealing with new fleets of motorcycles non-stop since 1980 and have learned a thing or two about new models.
 

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Hey, Dylan...there seems to be a (perhaps minority) view that your business and BMW are sufficiently close to preclude objectivity regarding this new RR on your part. I think that's what's driving this.

I'm neutral on this, but that's what I think is going on...


Not liking what I'm hearing about this new bike, though.
In 2008 we were sponsored by Kawasaki and they came out with a new ZX6R and there was some sort of problem with the valve buckets. Turned out that there was something wrong with Kawasaki's supplier for these parts and we had 3 bikes with issues as a result. Time went forward and it was literally only those 3 bikes and the problem never appeared again. We have been dealing with new fleets of motorcycles non-stop since 1980 and have learned a thing or two about new models.
Can you comment on the issue with there being a flat spot below 8k RPMS in 2nd and 3rd gear on your bikes?

We are all trying to figure out a resolution and hoping you could shed some light.

It seems that BMW has severely limited the power on these bikes by decreasing the throttle and exhaust valves opening.

@dylan_code
 
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