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post #41 of 124 (permalink) Old 05-18-2017, 05:25 AM
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Has anyone jumped on the new 1290 superduke? I'm testing one in a few weeks because the BMW only seems to go to the track lately.
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Don't ask me why. You should just know.
Okay dumb question, do you ride these like a street bike, or like a dirt bike (push under on turn), or both?
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Okay dumb question, do you ride these like a street bike, or like a dirt bike (push under on turn), or both?
I'll take a stab at this and see if it starts some controversy. I'm going to say that it's not the bike that defines how you ride it but rather what you're asking the bike to do. If I'm trying to turn the bike around a very small radius, say as in a parking lot then I stay upright and push the bike down under me to turn it around. If I'm on a twisty road I use all that BP goodness they teach at the California Superbike School. That's my answer regardless of what bike I'm riding.

Take a look at how they run those police obstacle courses where they turn a big ass Harley around inside a box barely bigger than the bike's wheelbase. Same concept.

At low speed the lean angle isn't very critical to traction but you need a lot of lean to get the bike turned so you push it down into the turn. At speeds where traction is nearing the limit, then minimizing lean angle is more important.

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Honda Grom, because I can ride the hell out of it at the go kart track. And since I don't have a trailer all I need to do is strap it on my back and ride it over on my RR!
I too have a Grom for a second bike, its nice to be a able to take something out and literally ride it 100% at all times without a care in the world.

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I'll take a stab at this and see if it starts some controversy. I'm going to say that it's not the bike that defines how you ride it but rather what you're asking the bike to do. If I'm trying to turn the bike around a very small radius, say as in a parking lot then I stay upright and push the bike down under me to turn it around. If I'm on a twisty road I use all that BP goodness they teach at the California Superbike School. That's my answer regardless of what bike I'm riding.

Take a look at how they run those police obstacle courses where they turn a big ass Harley around inside a box barely bigger than the bike's wheelbase. Same concept.

At low speed the lean angle isn't very critical to traction but you need a lot of lean to get the bike turned so you push it down into the turn. At speeds where traction is nearing the limit, then minimizing lean angle is more important.

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Yes, thanks, I think that makes a lot of sense actually.
I think just the appearance alone of the bike, made me think I'd need to ride it differently, but it's got street tires, and it's on the street.
Looks like a lot of fun like a bigger Grom with more power maybe.
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I too have a Grom for a second bike, its nice to be a able to take something out and literally ride it 100% at all times without a care in the world.
I can't decide between the GROM or the Z125.. :/ any suggestions?

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I can't decide between the GROM or the Z125.. :/ any suggestions?
I think either would be fine and a ton of fun.
One plus on the Grom, since it's been out for a while there are more after market items and probably a bigger community.

For the Z125 I believe it uses actual motor cycle size rims instead of scooter, it also has an oil filter instead of the old school spinner thing.

Flip a coin, get whichever costs less, or pick the one with the color you like best, I don't there is an incorrect choice.
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My other bike is a 2015 Yamaha FZ-07, works great for commuting and as a backup "rain bike" at track days.

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I like the 'sporty' 300's, either Ninja, R3, Rc390 or the new CBR300RR when it comes out.

You can track it, race it, canyon it, commute it, run errands around town, teach your girlfriend...
Top speed around 110, so it can decently survive in the highway.
Cheap and easy to maintain, easy on tires, low on gas.
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I can't decide between the GROM or the Z125.. :/ any suggestions?
Grom for sure! The Aftermarket for it is insane.


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I think either would be fine and a ton of fun.
One plus on the Grom, since it's been out for a while there are more after market items and probably a bigger community.

For the Z125 I believe it uses actual motor cycle size rims instead of scooter, it also has an oil filter instead of the old school spinner thing.

Flip a coin, get whichever costs less, or pick the one with the color you like best, I don't there is an incorrect choice.
My Grom has a filter too. No oil spinner. Ohlins suspension cost me 250 for the forks LOL
They both have 12in wheels.

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