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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 07-17-2019, 12:58 PM Thread Starter
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S1000RR versus Jappan

hello everyone!
I joined the forum to ask info to the lucky owners of the S1000RR in the various versions. I have always had Japanese motorcycles, lastly a very good GSXR750 sold by mistake (and even one Italian, Tuono R latest version, the best bike with standard equipment ever had, excellent but I didn't like it ibecause naked, sold after a few thousand km for character incompatibility ...)
Now I use my glorious 1987 Kawa GPX750R, taken in 1989 by a friend and always had in parallel with the others. It's fine, it's perfect but obviously it's a "gate" compared to modern ...
That said, the S1000RR has always been very popular and i like it a lot, since it came out. Now I was considering taking a Japanese SS again (I prefer those with half handlebars, also due to a problem with a wrist that strangely likes the closed posture better than the dumbbells), then Kawa ZX10R from 2016 or Suzuki GSXR1000 from 2017 (the models) modern ", comparable to the S1000RR from 2012 onwards in some ways)
But I said to myself "why not a BMW?" so I'm here to ask you to convince me. A Kawa ZX10 NEW model 2018 (2019 has undergone updates) I find it close to home at 16000 euros on the road, used in 2016-17 we are about 12500-13000. A GSXR1000 with few km of 2017 idem on 125000-13000. I use it ONLY on the road so I excluded the R1 and the Honda for too high postures (the Aprilia, Ducati or MV even worse for that)
I find the 2014 BMW S1000RR with 30-400000 km on the 9000 euros, of 2017 with a few km on the 14500-15000. 40000km=less than 25000 miles
My questions are:
- in your opinion a 2014 or similar with these mileage is advisable or better to avoid? Obviously speaking in general, every bike is different I know very well ...
- compared to the indicated Kawa and Suzuki (the "basic" models both) how do you put me in the S1000RR of 2014 and 2017? Also as a price / quality / reliability / performance ratio? Is there a 2500 euro difference compared to same used year of 2017?
The Japanese are notoriously mules, oil changes and other problems. My 1987 GPX750R has never simply had anything.
And the Teutonic ones?
I repeat, I like BMW VERY A LOT (without a real reason ...) and I try to understand if it's worth it, apparently it always costs more than the other at same equipment ....
Remember, 100% road use, no track!
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PS: sorry for my englis, i'm italian
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Ride it and you will know.
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I almost bought a 2017-2018 CBR1000RR, but the 2017 S1000RR had:

a competent up/down quickshifter, cruise control, heated grips, forged wheels, launch control, pit lane limiter, electronic suspension, traction control, and much more power.

Have had 7 Japanese sportbikes and a Duc....wanted to try the BMW. Best bike Iíve had....love my bike

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Only bad thing?

I also ride street only. Dealership network for BMW here is sparse compared to Japanese bikes.
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I almost bought a 2017-2018 CBR1000RR, but the 2017 S1000RR had:

a competent up/down quickshifter, cruise control, heated grips, forged wheels, launch control, pit lane limiter, electronic suspension, traction control, and much more power.

Have had 7 Japanese sportbikes and a Duc....wanted to try the BMW. Best bike Iíve had....love my bike

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Thanks for reply : so if BMW better to go for 2017 and up model ? Older are not so "interesting" ?
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Ride it and you will know.
Not easy to arrange a test drive for all bykes....for that i was asking "general" advice from people that maybe have tried japan and BMW...
Obviusly ride sufficient time and choose is best way,Aprilia Tuono was very good bike but i don't liked it and i sold...
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Ciao Karletto, I think your decision is easy and it's a matter of money.

if you can afford it, get the S1k '17, if you can't then get the '14 S1k, otherwise, get a Japanese.
Can't tell about the Ducati.

25k miles is not much for the S1k if treated well. Several users here with bikes well over 40k miles, no problems.

The reviews don't give the '17 CBR such a track oriented riding position. Have you seat on it?
Main complaints about the '17 CBR I've heard is that you have to stick to stock gearing and tire size or you MAY have trouble with traction control, but since you ride the street, maybe not a big issue.

Other than that, it seems to be nice street bike, much cheaper than the S1K, at least the base model.



Where in Italy are you? An Italian guy at the track, here in South Florida, said to me once: 'In Italy you don't need tracks, just ride the twisties'. LOL Best roads ever in Italy.
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I get a chance to ride most bikes, on the track though. I'd definitely take the BMW over the CBR, which is basically a 2008 model. It's a good bike, but about 30hp less real world hp.
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Thanks for reply : so if BMW better to go for 2017 and up model ? Older are not so "interesting" ?
In Nov. 2018, I could’ve/would’ve bought a ‘15-16 and I likely would’ve been just as happy, as they “appear” to be 98% the same bike. But, I believe the ‘17-18 has an improved ECU.

I test rode a ‘16 and an ‘18.....the ‘18 was slightly smoother in fueling and throttle response I thought, as I rode. But, as I said, I would’ve been happy with either. As it happened, I found a great deal on a ‘17 with 1,111 miles on it (that even had a brand new, 0 miles replacement motor in it on a warranty issue)....so I bought that one.

Excellent bike!

The Ducati 1098 I bought new in 2007 and had for 4 years just ran too hot and was ergonomically uncomfortable on my wrists, legs, and back just riding in the city.....although nice in the mountain twisties. CBR1000s I’ve had were very good....I just wanted something different and the s1000RR offered much more. R1 a little too much race ergonomics for me (I’m 62 yrs.old).

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