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Motonosity gives one-month review of his new 2020 RR

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#13 ·
Man, I think you're giving Motonosity too much ****. He's an enthusiast with a new bike. You get a new RR to go fast. He shows the throttle lag. He gets it flashed. He shows that the lags are gone and it is much faster. He did a dyno too. All good and reasonable info.

If you want to see fast riding, check out MaxWrist's channel. Your insurance rates aren't going up because of them.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Don't you mean wankers? Or is that one and the same down under? :laugh:

Edit: Just wondering why anyone would give this new dad's thoughts about riding the bike on the street in a straight line any credibility? It wheelies in 2nd. "Jeez." It wheelies in 3rd. "Jeez." Give me a break. He reminds me of the guy @the_gooch posted about in Florida that gives the fake laptop/ cell phone tunes. Can't remember which. :rolleyes:
 
#15 ·
MaxWrist is a goon. His videos are way over edited POS. To be honest I don't think he's that great of a rider. Half of his vids are doing a wheelie past a super car. Like yeah cool man thats sick. Wish I could do that. The vids up the twisties aren't really that great to watch either. Each to their own. My 2c worth.
 
#17 ·
I do think the Motovloggers as a whole do more good than damage for the motorcycle community. Some provide more entertainment and hooliganism, while others focus on important topics of ownership.

Appears that motorcycle interest/ownership is down severely with the younger generations (millennials and Gen Z). Much of their content is geared toward and hopefully attracting new people to motorcycle riding.

I think some of the disconnect with a forum like this is that many of the members have more experience, higher income levels, and better skills than many of the motovloggers. So it is a much tougher crowd than the younger crowd just getting into or newer to motorcycles.

When I got back on a bike a while back, I watched a lot of motovloggers and really enjoyed it, not as much anymore but still do some. I learned a lot also from all of them, especially guys like Dodge Rider, MotoJitsu, MCrider and MC Garage. Gave me confidence in doing some of my own work, getting proper gear and continually developing/working on good technique/riding skills.
 
#19 ·
What videos like this prove is that insurance research is correct and why bikes like ours are rated higher due to how they are ridden. Especially for the given age groups. It's not the speed alone that drives insurance costs, it's the attitude. I remember a sale of an RR falling through because of insurance cost for a young-ish buyer. No tickets, no crashes, college educated professional job and excellent credit score, almost $2,700 per year for full coverage. If a rider is willing to do 150+ on public roads, what other risks to themselves, and others (didn't he say he had a newborn), are they willing to take. How many fat cat insurance companies are sitting back and laughing at the bucks rolling in when they run across a video like the one posted here. And trust me, individual agents due see these things and don't think for a second that the link isn't forwarded to the entities within the industry who decide on and set rates for individual vehicles. I've seen videos like this show up at various traffic safety and insurance-esque seminars that I have attended.

We all know that modern sport bikes, especially high end ones like the RR, are some of the safest on the street. Better electronics, better braking, better handling which are all enhanced by less weight. If they are the safest, why are the most expensive to insure. Hmmm.....maybe because of how they are seen being operated and the crash statistics . The video is simply demonstrative of what insurance company research has shown. Not to mention what drives federal regulations to mandate performance characteristics based on how they KNOW the bike will be used on the street.

As far as this video goes, I'm sure the Vlogger is a nice guy and means well. However, nothing he said in his 850 mile review is new and previously stated hundreds of times elsewhere without documenting the insanity on video.
 
#20 ·
I have heard the the algorithms that determine rates are fairly complicated/in-depth. Based on many factors, including zip code. If you live in a sketchy area, your rates will be higher, as risk for theft/vandalism increases.

When I bought my current bike (KTM Super Duke GT). I was looking at a Super Duke R, Ducati Monster 1200S, and 2019 Honda CB1000R.

With my current carrier (Geico), right around $700 a year for the KTM and Ducati, but $1300!! for the Honda (which was my “practical” choice).
Progressive was around $700 for the Honda.
Who knows what the different companies reasoning were based on, but obvious differences.

41, clean driving record (thank you traffic attorneys).
I ride hard/aggressive at times on the street. But save it for back country curvy roads where there is limited traffic, I know the roads, and limited/no incoming roads to the road I am on.
I keep it in my lane in the corners, even when going hard, with some margin for error.
I also ride with a group that rides with the same philosophy. Ride hard, but with “relative” safety in mind, there is always some assumed increased risk when getting on a bike and even more when deciding to ride hard.
The group organizer/lead rider also has been riding the local roads for years and knows them very well.

They can have the freeway bandito and city street hooliganism stuff though, way too many risk factors as compared to two lane country roads.
 
#21 ·
The actuaries look at claim rates for a category and adjust some based upon the brand/model's experience. They don't need to look at specific YouTube videos.

Riders get a superbike like the S1000RR for one reason: to go fast. They certainly don't buy it because it's comfortable, has good fuel range, is cheap, or is practical in other respects. It's fast. Period. To see one going fast in a YouTube conveys no new information to anyone, let alone an insurance actuary. If you never ride speeds approaching those of Motonosity (or countless other superbike Motovloggers) except on a track, you are a very rare breed. If you do, but just don't document it in video, you are not keeping an important secret. Trust me.

I keep it to within 70% on the street, except when I make a mistake and that's why I need the 30% buffer. I save my 90% for the track.

I self insure - get liability only. I have two bikes: a 2016 BMW K1300S and a 2020 S1000RR. The combined annual premium for the two is $159 - basically nothing.

Some of my favorite performance-oriented motovloggers are Life at Lean, Canyon Chasers and 44Teeth. I often learn something from these guys, or at least become amused.
 
#26 ·
You can see the terrible 4th gear throttle lag here vs a V4S :D:D:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRt...uhvqQTEcp5GT7xsz6I8FVxFr9sSkzsorFnRh-MsjQT2dY


Also you can see the 4th gear changes in our flash from stock vs tuned in our dyno graph here:




Additionally, you can see the bike going above the claimed "186mph bren limiter" here:



Thanks

Chris
BTW, I find that the TFT speed reading on my 2020 RR is uncharacteristically spot on instead of the usual significantly higher/optimistic. I've looked at it next to the GPS speed from Nav apps and my Escort Live app on my X-Grip mounted phone and find it to be the same. I wonder if it is GPS sourced instead of based upon wheel speed.
 
#30 ·
You tube clicks and ads are his only income stream? Video quality and sound were good even if I didn't like the content.

The EJR Performance video was worse. Timed 60-130 pulls on the freeway. :frown2:
 
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I like a laid back cruise every once in awhile. But most of the time go fairly hard.

Difference with the videos is I save all of mine for back country roads with limited traffic. City streets and freeway, I’ll go with the flow or a bit faster, but nothing “excessive.”

If I’m going 150, it is on a 2 lane straight, with no incoming roads, good road surface, and clear visibility for the entire stretch.

Of course, I live in the country suburbs. 2 miles from my house and I’m out on full blown country roads. So I don’t have to ride through miles of highly trafficked roads to get to the “good” roads.
 
#53 ·
I only ride the road. I care not for the track at all and find it boring. That part makes no sense to pretty much everyone.

I like the road because it is for ever changing. Such a dynamic environment. Which for some is the opposite of what they want. But it's what I like. It makes it much more dangerous when you have potential hazards like dirt, gravel, trees, animals and other road users. Danger is a big factor in why I ride and going to the track takes that element away to a small degree. I am not saying I am more superior because I do it on the road and track riders are any less great. They are smarter than I. Some will argue and say but making it safer to go fast can only be a good thing. And it is. But it just doesn't suit me.

The other part is the adventure. Doing 4 day trips with a bunch of mates. You see so much over the journey. Crossing borders and staying in pubs. You create memories and stories. The things you get to see and some of the trying conditions you must go through. The track is just the same lap after lap. Chasing a lap time. Its so boring. But again that is just me. I know it is the best thing you can do for a lot of riders. Track riders would think doing 12 hours a day for 4 days is completely stupid on a sports bike that was designed to be on a race track. We aren't sitting on the highway for 12 hours. We are hitting mountain roads and country back roads all day. Riding flat out like its isle of man. The feeling you get after 4 days of just flat out mayhem through the mountains would be similar to the buzz of a track day.

I had the same mentality when riding to work. Riding to work down a 4 lane freeway doing double the limit and cutting in and out of traffic. I did that for a while. But quickly realised that this ends in 3 ways. A coffin, a wheelchair or a jail cell. I still have the urge to do it now every day. The adrenaline is what does it. It's so damn fun. But it's so stupid and putting yours and others lives at risk is not worth it at all. Riding in the hills where you are on your own on a deserted mountain road with no traffic. At least if you make a mistake it is pretty much on you. I can live with that. The speed limits in AUS are so slow because of all the retards who can't drive and the Police having a superiority complex. Its complete bs over here in that regard. I ride to my own limit pretty much. That doesn't mean I just speed around every where. But I do what I feel is comfortable for the road I am on, the conditions and the traffic level. The Police won't take that as a valid reason but I'll take that chance.
 
#58 ·
I would highly recommend getting a traffic attorney for all speeding tickets. Never just pay ticket. Depending on number of tickets and severity you’ll likely pay way more in increased insurance rates if you do.

The whole system in the US is a giant revenue stream for local and state municipalities.
The reason I suggest an attorney instead of fighting it in court yourself is that you are an unknown in the “good old boys club.”
The attorneys know the prosecutors and judges and they see each other and work with each other weekly.
They are much more likely to want to deal with each other than regular Joe speeder.

I have gotten 2 tickets dismissed, 1 reduced to a muffler violation, and 1 currently in the court system. Only 1 was on a bike.

Attorney fees are usually flat fees, $100-$200, will probably have to pay court costs and maybe a fine. But what you are looking for is to avoid points on your record, to save money in the long run.
They really just want their money.

My current ticket was 59 in a 35. Attorney told me the county it was in can suspend your license for 60 days for anything 15 over. Said many people just pay the ticket and then a few weeks later get a letter in the mail informing them of their suspended license.
 
#60 ·
The video showing two bikes side by side in 4th gear doing roll-on from low rpms, unless I am mistaken, that doesn't really indicate anything useful due to differences in gearing and red line (which plays into where the power is), except if you are next to your buddy, and you're both in 4th on the exact same bikes ...
 
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