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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-12-2019, 10:51 PM Thread Starter
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While admitting that when cruise control was offered on the RR in '15 I thought: What? Cruise control on a sportbike? Lunacy! But the reality is...it's a great tool for combating fatigue on long rides.

But...hill control? This one (despite Dylan's endorsement) strikes me as a bit "too much baby-sitting". If you can't get a bike moving on a hill without difficulty, is a literbike perhaps too much for you? Is this just "marketing" from BMW?

What's next? Audible braking-point reminders? Being facetious of course...but...hill starts are kind of a basic skill.

Aren't they? Just posing the question. If you're a hill start control fan, fine...
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But...hill control? This one (despite Dylan's endorsement) strikes me as a bit "too much baby-sitting". If you can't get a bike moving on a hill without difficulty, is a literbike perhaps too much for you?

What's next? Audible braking-point reminders? Being facetious of course...but...hill starts are kind of a basic skill.

Aren't they?
Yes. Basic skill. Back in the days of drum brakes, there was dual shoe something or other (four shoe? ) front brake that did not work in reverse. With those bikes, you learned to shift weight, use the rear for your 30-45 degree hill starts. In today's' world, I can't fathom a need. I've been able to hill start every bike I've ever owned. I could even make my '73 water buffalo fly without wings.



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When I purchased my 1600 I too thought hill start was a gimmick. But, I quickly found I was using it for different things...simple things such as holding the bike on a small decline while I adjust an air vent on my helmet, or switching to the next navigation point, etc etc, while stopped at a red light, or pulled off to the side. Ironically tho...I rarely used it for a hill start.

I imagine itíll be the same for the RR...
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Hill holding can be handy in bikes and cars, and has been around since the 1930's. The only downside is it can take a bit more throttle to get going.

Like auto-blippers, these tools can make you a better rider than you actually are. (The current generation Corvettes have defeatable rev matching on their maanual transmission cars. it works brilliantly and is a hoot.)
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I have never experienced the hill start, so no comment on its practicality, but I read somewhere in this forum that it’s only a software program as the bike comes with all the necessary hardware, so why not having it if it’s there for free!? Even if it’s just a marketing wow.

After all not everybody who buys the RR is buying it for tracking purposes, so the hill start would make more sense to them (including myself).

And I agree, if someone can’t manage a hill start on a liter bike (honestly it’s easier on these bikes than smaller ones due to their power) then they have no business sitting on a liter bike, for the rest, enjoy the cool option as it’s built to make our life one step easier.

Sometimes I miss the kick starter of my first bike! ... only sometimes.
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Could be an urban legend, but I know I read somewhere that the current gen of RRís can have the Hill Start feature added in. Can anyone confirm or tell me how wrong I am?

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Could be an urban legend, but I know I read somewhere that the current gen of RRís can have the Hill Start feature added in. Can anyone confirm or tell me how wrong I am?
Wrong. Only new ones. When I wear my BMW hat that is. The resident hacker may say otherwise.
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Patiently awaits @BMW_388ís response

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The Hill Hold/Start is not an FSC that I can just learn the code from and crack in the RR. It is based on using the ABS module unit so like ABS PRO, most of the code goes in the ABS Module for this feature.

If the Hill Hold/Start is an option for the K1600, R1200 product line using an upgrade FSC, then I can figure out to install most likely to the RR.
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Fair call for a sports bike but if there is a 6 axis IMU to take advantage of with a little programming then why not? Doesn't add weight or anything!
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