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More likely to keep my '15 and finish those upgrades!
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One if the reviews from Estroli claimed the brakes as the weak point, noticeable.
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One if the reviews from Estroli claimed the brakes as the weak point, noticeable.

Brakes can be just as much as an opinion as the color of the bike is beautiful solid red, or motorsports blue white with red.

The brembo's will always carry more weight and rating because they are so highly used in MotoGP, WSBK, and OEM for Porsche and Ferrari. You first look up Hayes and you see mountain bike. WTF is that on a 20k+ BMW.

BMW had to cut cost of components that carry a brand name they pay royalties to. I am sure they negotiated very hard with Brembo and asked to help in the cost cutting so the "M" package could come in under the 25k figure. Its just my opinion of course on the actions taken with the K67 build. No one complained that much about the bite point on the K46 09-19. That just adds up to alot of gold calipers with BREMBO on the side of them. Those Hayes will get by for most riders out there. The bad is that for every one legitimate complain about fading from a pro level rider, 10 other want a be pro riders are going to follow right along and complain too.

Fading and bit points can be controlled with types of pads, fluids, and even down to your style of riding. Hayes is going to work, its just not going to work for a pro level rider that has BREMBO ingrained into their minds.

You cannot just forget the brakes because anytime you go fast, you got to stop sometime. The K67 is being presented as one fast sportbike bragging 1.5 seconds off your average lap times. Well, that might be just for the first 4 laps before the front brake start to fade out on you, BUT, it did go faster. That was one of the targets. BMW engineers just didnt get to put in the stop fast good stuff that last 22 laps. Most club sprint races are 6-8 laps. Most people are going to make it. Some will not and be buying new calipers from .. maybe @the_gooch .. haha..
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Yeah K67 will be the model code. The compliance won't matter. It's being called a 2019 and to some extent it will be a 2019. Just a very late 2019.
Considering BMW is already selling the 2019 in the USA and it's the older gen, it will be even more confusing to have old gen 2019 and new gen 2019 out at the same time. Also, may want to change title of this thread to 2019/2020 then, let's all jump on the BMW marketing crazy train

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Brakes can be just as much as an opinion as the color of the bike is beautiful solid red, or motorsports blue white with red.

The brembo's will always carry more weight and rating because they are so highly used in MotoGP, WSBK, and OEM for Porsche and Ferrari. You first look up Hayes and you see mountain bike. WTF is that on a 20k+ BMW.

BMW had to cut cost of components that carry a brand new they pay royalties to. I am sure they negotiated very hard with Brembo and asked to help in the cost cutting so the "M" package could come in under the 25k figure. Its just my opinion of course on the actions taken with the K67 build. No one complained that much about the bite point on the K46 09-19. That just adds up to alot of gold calipers with BREMBO on the side of them. Those Hayes will get by for most riders out there. The bad is that for every one legitimate complain about fading from a pro level rider, 10 other want a be pro riders are going to follow right along and complain too.

Fading and bit points can be controlled with types of pads, fluids, and even down to your style of riding. Hayes is going to work, its just not going to work for a pro level rider that has BREMBO ingrained into their minds.

You cannot just forget the brakes because anytime you go fast, you got to stop sometime. The K67 is being presented as one fast sportbike bragging 1.5 seconds off your average lap times. Well, that might be just for the first 4 laps before the front brake start to fade out on you, BUT, it did go faster. That was one of the targets. BMW engineers just didnt get to put in the stop fast good stuff that last 22 laps. Most club sprint races are 6-8 laps. Most people are going to make it. Some will not and be buying new calipers from .. maybe @the_gooch .. haha..
I agree with you. Minimum will do, as long as they do what they are supposed to do.

It will be interesting to see how the bike will stock up against the competition. We'll see if this will hurt BMW, and i am assuming it will. But you know, give it 2-3 years and we'll see BMW put up more color options and negotiate Brembo setup.
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One if the reviews from Estroli claimed the brakes as the weak point, noticeable.
I wish there was a report to show what percentage of RR owners actually track their bikes more than once or twice per year. Fair to assume majority don’t, and even if The new brakes werent as good as the Brembos, it’s only for those tiny percentage of “trackers” who anyways upgrade their bikes to their specific needs.
Only time could tell, but for now I’m eager to see the US tail light picture, I’m young enough to adapt myself to the new brakes.
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While the Brembo calipers on the previous bikes were great, I think everyone is forgetting that these were still a "built to a budget" bmw caliper by Brembo. Not a Brembo part. Much the same as these new Hayes calipers will be also. Quality by brand association can sometimes be more for marketing purpose than anything.
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Hayes will be fine unless rider is pro. Interestingly Ducati did not replace V4R calipers for WSBk, but BMW did. And that says enough about stock calipers on new RR.

People get stuck in brand names (Brembo, etc...). Not many people know that brand name parts on mass produced vehicles are not the same quality as aftermarket parts from the same manufacturer. Compare Ohlins that come OEM on Aprilia or Ducati to aftermarket Ohlins. Or Brembo calipers, tolerances and quality are all different. I'm sure BMW put enough testing and research into their parts to ensure they meet their needs.

In some of new RR promotion videos BMW admits RR is street focused, latest RR is trying to be more track friendly. Will see how that goes.
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You can bet that the V4R factory calipers would have to be almost cream of the crop for the price of the bike!

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You can bet that the V4R factory calipers would have to be almost cream of the crop for the price of the bike!
It's a joke, really. Even the BASE model Ducati V4 has better brakes. A real disappointment.
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