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post #31 of 52 (permalink) Old 01-13-2016, 07:02 AM
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Lots of historical discussion on this topic. Try searching "ECU adaptation" before you make a decision...For some, not having a fueling solution w/ a non catted full system is the end of the world. That camp claims the ECU will only adjust itself back to factory presets as a protective and emissions measure only, NOT adjust itself to maximize your mods and so damage *may* occur. To them, there is no point in doing one w/o the other. AAMOF, BMW themselves echo that same sentiment w/ both their HP exhausts.

Others, as you see, haven't had any problems with engine damage, just mild ridability issues and a less than perfect curve....IMO, do it right or leave it alone. I'm running the full HP Ti exhaust w/ cat on my 15 (no tune) and the curve isn't perfect so I could only imagine a full shorty or custom job not tuned.
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post #32 of 52 (permalink) Old 01-15-2016, 10:48 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks to all. I learned quite a bit and ultimately, decided to return it as my decat pipe and slip on wouldn't qualify as either a stock exhaust, nor a full system. Then the dyno tuning part... from there, you can go on and on with all of the other power commander products, and knowing myself, there's no end to that road. Ultimately, I'm very content to enjoy what I have as it is.
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People contemplating any changes to the ECU via flash or the BMW HP stuff have to know that their warranty is gone. Argue all you want on this, reality is the dealer CAN tell, and trust me, if you're looking for a new motor they will check. Personally I don't have anything against it, just know the implications of your decision.
I guess it's just another reason to leave the O2 sensors connected and let the bike adapt.
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post #34 of 52 (permalink) Old 01-22-2016, 07:23 PM
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^ HP unlock code without RK3 won't void the warranty. At least what what my BMW techi told me when I asked him about full akra exhaust and just unlocking stock ECU HP race map.
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Is that the same 'techie' who told you the 15 has a 118 link chain? Post his name and the dealership he works at so that other members can steer clear. But then again, if they truly are accepting liability on behalf of BMW for some jack ass high siding off a cliff or otherwise damaging the bike or themselves due to the reduced TC/ABS settings of the RACE ECU dataset (*13618522450), it may be the place to go.

https://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/bm...ml#post1406850

You have to be referring to the NON RACE ECU dataset (*13618531006). Don't confuse people, there is a difference. You are not supposed to be able to use the RCK on US street legal ECUs anyway so of course it won't void the warranty for a street legal update, but that's not the "HP race map" it's the FSC for the 'sport' exhaust.

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I have the HP system with the enabling code. That does not void warranty. The HP4 comes with it standard and of course you get warranty with that. It's the RCK that voids it. Then you have the ability to stuff things right up if you have no clue what you are doing. They chuck that statement in there to let you know if something happens they may or may not cover you. BMW don't want bad publicity so depending on what happens to the bike they will help where they can. They don't just ignore you and want nothing to do with it.

As for not tuning the bike for a full system. You're kidding your self. You are missing the point. You wan't more power and a more free flowing bike. You need to do the job properly with a tune. Seems to me like people have enough money for an exhaust but try to skimp on the tune. It's just silly. If you can't afford to put fuel in it, sell it the saying goes. You can sit here and listen to all the guys who just fit the system and then the bike runs fine. In fact it runs very good! Yeah right...... wait til you get the thing tuned properly and then see how bad it was before. You think race teams are riding around on non tuned bikes? Where do you think this technology comes from? Racing is a testing and proving ground for customer developed street bikes. If the racers are doing it, good bet it's good for the street (not in everything). What's that you say? Your not a racer? Your not fast? You just ride to work? You only use 50% of the bike anyway? Doesn't matter. If that's your attitude why are you fitting a full system? Bike is more than capable from the factory.

Sick of threads on here with the same questions. Use the search feature. There a handful of people on here who actually have experience with this and know what they are on about. The rest are just confusing guys who don't know. We need a common theme here.
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Is that the same 'techie' who told you the 15 has a 118 link chain? Post his name and the dealership he works at so that other members can steer clear. But then again, if they truly are accepting liability for some jack ass high siding off a cliff due to the reduced TC settings of the RACE ECU dataset (*13618522450) then it may be the place to go.

https://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/bm...ml#post1406850

You have to be referring to the NON RACE ECU dataset (*13618531006). Don't confuse people, there is a difference. You are not supposed to be able to use the RCK on US street legal ECUs anyway so of course it won't void the warranty for a street legal update, but that's not the "HP race map" it's the FSC for the 'sport' exhaust.
You call San Jose BMW and ask them how many links 2015 chain has. Report back. While at it, call CalMoto in Mountain view BMW. I got the same answers.

While at it, ask them what I just said about HP unlock code on stock ECU. Again, racekit 3 is what voids the warranty, and have to sign a paper accepting that when activating it.

You're the one confusing people. bennymx is a bmw techie and he is saying the same thing I said.
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Not only am I tech for BMW. I work for BMW Australia, not a dealer. Head quarters for Motorrad here in Aus. Part of my job sometimes includes approving or declining PuMA cases for all the dealers in Aus. We decide based on many factors whether something is covered under warranty or not.
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You call San Jose BMW and ask them how many links 2015 chain has. Report back. While at it, call CalMoto in Mountain view BMW. I got the same answers.

While at it, ask them what I just said about HP unlock code on stock ECU. Again, racekit 3 is what voids the warranty, and have to sign a paper accepting that when activating it.

You're the one confusing people. bennymx is a bmw techie and he is saying the same thing I said.
Don't need to, I can read and count and don't run to the dealer to put air in my tires. Plus, I've owned two different model years and have purchased aftermarket chains for them both, have laid them out side by side, counted the links before installation and cut off a link on a 120 for my old bike...

What you said was that the "HP Race Map" can be unlocked w/o regards to warranty ...
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^ HP unlock code without RK3 won't void the warranty.... ECU HP race map.
That is incorrect. The Race map is included with the full NON CAT exhaust and together they will alter the terms of your warranty as the liability release and warranty disclaimer that you will sign clearly state. RCK CAN NOT be used on the dataset for the CAT exhaust anyway per federal law, so of course it cant void the warranty...that's not news, but that's not what you said.

The FSC for the CAT exhaust is a street product and will not void the warranty, UNLIKE the RACE enable code. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

Don't care who Bennymx works for, I live in the US. If he reads the catalog and parts bulletins he or anybody else could see that the HP4 and its exhaust along with the S1K version of it and its street legal FSC are different than the enable code that unlock the RACE dataset and thus have different warranty policies. For any market, BMW does not consider the street legal 'flash' a RACE product and neither should you.

Now I do agree with him that there are many factors to a warranty claim. I was specifically told that my warranty wouldn't be voided per se with the race kit, just that it would be limited and manually reviewed. That's not a void, but it is a risk I chose not to take...
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@d40 I was not having a go at you at all. It's all good. The part about full systems and tuning was to the countless thread posters on here. Needed to vent that one. You are correct with what you have said. I have no disagreements with any of it. The confusion comes with the various "codes", "tunes", "maps". It can get very confusing for the average punter. Confusion of information and the way different people word things can sometimes be the issue. Carry on
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