How Come the S1000 does well every where but WBSK?

**Triple Threat** · 07-31-2011, 08:49 PM

The S1000RR is truly an exceptional bike, why are these bikes performing poorly in every class of racing except so well in WSBK?

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D-wire · 07-31-2011, 10:33 PM

Well, ....I think WSB, like most racing, is just WAY tougher than people realize. In my short time on the bike and from what I've read, I think the weaknesses might be....
A) The WSB BMW team deciding to use their own electronics vs. the standard Magnetti Marelli
B) These chassis seems very stiff and I'm not sure how that works with the spec Pirelli's. Pirelli's have a soft carcass. They seem to be wearing the tires...would they do better on a Dunlop??? I don't know.
C) Maybe a lack of data...although the WSBK team has been racing it for a few seasons now. ??
D) I haven't found a setting that allows me to trailbrake as hard as the Japanese bikes and still get it to the apex.... But that is probably just due to my lack of time on the bike. I am still trying to adapt my riding to suit the bike as well...so I don't want to say my problems are their problems, ya know?

Overall, I'd say they are doing pretty dang good.

Beemer · 08-01-2011, 09:42 AM

Overall, I think in all other areas except WSBK the S1K BMW is doing good.
How much time is still needed to get their act together. At the moment the Ducati's, and Aprilla's are kicking the S1K ass really good, with the Jap bikes on their heels, and its not the riders(Even Haslam and Badovini is getting nowhere, except for a lucky 4th here and there). In Superstock the Ducatis are also starting to perform better and better and beating the S1K.
Here in SA our Superbike champ for last year was also on a S1K!
So with all the great hype and results the S1K is getting on the street and on the track, why are they after 3 years still not showing in WSBK???

majhall · 08-01-2011, 01:32 PM

Its likely the traction. It seems that on the WSBK the rear is all over the place and Haslam stated that the tires can outlast the race. Also, BMW is developing there own TC rather than going 3rd party. This will help them in the long run but right now the learning curve is killing them.

TheRedBaron · 08-29-2011, 06:24 PM

I think they need more time. Even the guys on the very back of the grid are screaming, so I'd say they're going pretty good for not having the experience some of the back of the grid has.. I watched them very closely while here at Miller.. they made a very large effort to take down as much data as possible.. so next year they have a leg up. Just like a rider, the team needs to learn the tracks.. and that data varies for every rider.. they sort of make their own version of what the rider needs based off of old data.. at that level.. every bit counts. Not having old data kind of throws them under the bus.. they just need more races.

TheRedBaron · 08-29-2011, 06:28 PM

I like the point made above, about Pirelli and soft carcasses.. even on the club level, set ups are completely different between say a Dunlop (Hard Carcass) Michelin(Medium carcass) and Pirelli's super soft carcass.. Some bikes like the different tires, but that doesn't mean a set up can't get close enough for a bike to be ridden to the limit... then the tricky part.. factor in rider preference and the teams basically have to make magic..

BMWSyd · 09-05-2011, 07:05 AM

In Australia, BMW just took out the West Aussie series, it is leading the Australian Superbikess and SUperstock etc etc. our series are very close to stock, with not many mods allowed, so in stock trim they are very competitive.

Troy Corser and test riders Steve Martin and Damien Cudlin all Aussies, say in WSBK, BMW are wanting to develop everything themselves such as the electronics rather than use the established magnetti marelli, this is the main thing being sorted out. BMW are on a mission, just stay patient.

mikef4uk · 09-05-2011, 09:28 AM

According to all the bits and bobs I have read and tried to put together they are not listening to their riders, Troy Corser said his race engineer was straight from BMW's car side and had never even ridden a bike.

They are/were? also developing their own electronics against the main two established systems (magnetti and D2) I put a question mark after the 'were' because I believe Leon Haslem has demanded improvements before commiting again.............

Another reason may be the BMW is one of the few bikes with a an IL4, everything else around the usual front runners has a funny firing order........Yamaha/Aprilia/Ducati, Yamaha have gone to a lot of trouble making their IL4 work like a V4

**Wild Pete** · 09-05-2011, 09:40 AM

BMW isn't fairing to well in the BSB class. You have EVO bikes beating them.

Jazzmaster · 09-26-2011, 12:04 AM

This year the Superstock 1000 is becomming more and more a Ducati cup. They are considering to limit the Ducs even more next season, but I'm going to beat the horse again. Ducati shouldn't be allowed to run those 200ccs more IMO. If the costs for running V2 are so high, well go for IL4 if you can't afford it, instead of running cheater engines. Can Kawasaki run 1200CC's because the costs are to high to put it in perspective. If Yamaha could run 200ccs more to compensate for the lack of top end power, I think Yamahas would maybe be running side by side with our S1KRR and Ducs..but for now in Superstock they are filling up the back together with the Sukz, Hondas and Kwaks... and byt the way, why aren't we seeing Aprillias in Superstock??