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post #21 of 33 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 09:20 AM
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Well, that's a good question... plenty of race bikes (non-street legal) are sold with just a bill of sale. It will be slightly harder to sell for the same reasons you are hesitant. If he has the title and it's in someone else's name, why can't he get that original person to sign it? Just because it wasn't transferred into the current seller's name doesn't mean anything... as long as it's signed by the person on the title.

My current bike is an AMA bike... on it I only have an MSO. It was never titled (ever). Went straight from the show room floor to Attack Racing to get built. But it (an MSO) was signed by the dealership originally and that has followed the bike. I could go get it titled myself, but there's no need since I have a signed MSO.

Tell him, you just need the title signed off on... (FWIW, he could sign the title and you would never know). Prior to making the deal, get the VIN and check w/the local MVD or PD and ensure it comes back clean. Then you just take the title down and re-title in your name.

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BTW, for his "extras"... wheels, new tires, and PitBull stands are probably worth and extra $800-$900... So $700 isn't bad if you're getting all that plus some. New Dunlops Tires = $339 (racers price), Pit Bull stands (used), $50-$75ea, extra set of wheels = $400-$500.

As for the suspension, you'll need to get it resprung for your weight...

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The title is in Ryan Elleby. He raced AMA in 2009. He signed the back of the title however it was not notarized. The State of KY said if the back of the title wasnt signed and the signature notarized it cant be titled in the state.

I am not concerned about when i own it but when i sell it some day. Obivously a bike with a clean title is worth more than one with a bill of sale.

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Hmmm... interesting on the notary thing (of course there's ways around that too )... Here in NM, we don't have that requirement... just sign the back of the title, fill out a Bill of Sale, sign that too... and you're good to go.

Here's my suggestion on this bike. If you like it and feel it is the right one for you - buy it. In the track/race bike scene, a signed title from the person on the front (in this case Ryan) will sell just fine. Assuming the bike is going to stay non-street legal, most folks won't title it anyway. That same title will just get passed on from owner to owner along w/a new Bill of Sale.

You can still insure it if you want too. I carry comprehensive on my race bike (just in case of theft). Again, that bike has never been titled (ever), only has the original MSO signed on the back from the dealership. I won't ever titled it.

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I like the bike and am going to try to work out a deal. Like i said I have dealt with Clean title bikes since they have all been for the road. I dont know the process for race bikes. I have a pretty good understanding of what to watch for now. Thanks for all of the information.

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Well I just got back from Alabama and the bike was better than I thought. There are dents and dings here and there but It has everything I need to go racing.

Got tire warmers, new set of dunlop race tires, the bike has the Full Bazzaz Package(Traction Control, GP Quick Shifter, AFM Module) Full Titanium exhaust, Pit Bull Steering Damp., Full Race TEc Suspension(Needs resprung for my weight), Pit Bull Stands with attachment to frame so I can change the front wheel, various clip ons. Everything wired and has transponders.

No kickstand(I assume thats normal). No radiator fan Either(normal?) 194 rwhp on the dyno chart. Motor sounds awesome.

I am used to the bazzaz setup however I havent used the traction control system. What should my traction control settings be at while I am getting used to the bike? Anything else you think I should know.

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Sounds like a very fun bike! I'm excited for you!

Yes - normal on a race bike not to have a fan (weight savings).
Yes - normal on a race bike not to have a kickstand (safety)

As for the TC... that all depends on how comfortable you are with your right hand and your own throttle control. Try it on 10, it should be sputtering a bit on the straight coming out of the last turn I'd imagine... back it off to 5, try it again...

Again, it all depends on your comfort level w/the right hand and not spinning it up. Keep in mind, this TC is NOT like your BMW... it is NOT monitoring tire spin on the front and rear. It has pre-programmed algorithms that basically have a very close idea how fast the RPMs should climb... if they climb too fast, it means you're spinning up the rear, then it will cut ignition.

Another side note... do NOT treat your TC as a miracle button. It will help save your ass... but will not prevent the inevitable. Best thing to do is gain confidence with your right hand. What helped me get a good jump on gaining that confidence was taking the Rich Oliver Mystery School (Pro Camp). You slide a bike around for 4 days (on the dirt). Everything you learn transfers to the asphalt - GREAT school!

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Thanks for all of the information. I am pretty excited. I dont know how people figure all of this stuff out without forums like these. I started riding with a guy a few months ago that I am going with to track days in 2013. He is a intermediate to advanced track day guy. I text him over and ask a bunch of questions but I feel bad buring his texts up all night.
I ride really agressive on the street(over to edge of tires and dragging knees) on my BMW in race mode so I have the TC as a safety net. Never been to the track so I am pretty excited to learn more and obviously be in a place where I can do that.

One last question. I went on the racetech website and I punched in my weight and the weight of the guy the bike was sprung for. I am 215 right now(plan to get down to 200 over winter) and when I use my current weight and his weight (260) we could have actually used the same spring weight. I am dead on their second to heaviest spring and he was in between the second to heaviest and the heaviest. I am not sure each way. The rear is roughly the same. Is their a way to figure out your spring weights in bike without disassembly. Best to try to ride it and see how it feels? or adjust to manufacturers recommendations and see how it feels.

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Yes, simple... Just try setting your sag (free sag, and rider sag) and see if you're within range or close to it. I thought his 260lbs was w/gear on and your 215 was without (forgot?!?!)... anyway, your 215 w/gear on is probably closer to 240lbs +/-...

Here's some helpful info on setting your sag ---> Suspension 101

The track is definitely where to take you bike if you enjoy riding aggressively. Once you hit the track a few times, I'll betcha you tone it down on the street You'll find that you absolutely cannot push it on the street like you can on the track. You will be quite humbled on your first day at the track - when your session is over, go watch the fast guys (advanced group)

Feel free to PM if you have more questions... and if I can help great, if I can't, well, it was worth a shot.

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I am fully aware of my skill on a bike. I would say that i am good or better than average rider. I have watched enough videos of advanced group and AMA, motoGP guys that are way beyond me. I am good enough to appreciate how much better they are than me.

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