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Old 11-28-2011, 12:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fun weekend at the desert. This is my third track day so if any experienced rider has the chance of pointing out any mistake i could've done i would appreciate it. i'm trying to get better and go faster just like any other rider. thanks!

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Good job out there Ben! A never ending addiction!

You asked for anything/insight as to improvements you might focus on. Some of the following are just due to the nature of it only being your third time out there... so more than anything - Seat Time! Just keep getting out there!

Here's some of the things I picked up on:
  • Your lower half (butt) is getting off the seat fine, but your still keeping your head closer to the center line of the bike. This will tend to make you somewhat crossed up. You can work on body position w/your bike on a stand in the garage. Just be careful not to tip the bike! Get your head out over/above and even to the outside if possible of your inside hand. On a right hand turn, get your head out over your hand or even a hair to the right of it. Go on and drop your inside elbow and shoulder more. This will help you get your head out there too. Take a look at your inside foot and knee, see if it is pointing towards the exit of the turn, this will help get your hips pointed towards the exit of the turn and will prevent you from getting crossed up.
  • Throttle control, throttle control, throttle control. That was the biggest thing I picked up on. You were not confident on the speed you chose going into and through the turns. You were on and off the throttle a lot. Trust your judgment! Set the speed and keep it. Go slower at first, then pick it up the next time around. Adjusting speed and lines half way through the turn is not a good thing to be doing until you've had more seat time and even then it can upset the chassis and that can cause other issues if you're going fast enough. The bike will handle a lot more than you can imagine.
  • Use more of the track. Looked like you were running about 5-8' off the bottom of the turns many times... fiind the tip in point, go to it, find the apex, go to it, find the exit point, go to it. If you get them wrong, work on it next time around, don't worry about changing your line mid-stream.
  • Brake points... although you were finding points on the track to slow down, I don't think you were actually braking too much. You coasted a lot. Pick a brake point, throttle hard till that point, then brake. This is normal for your first number of times out btw. So don't worry too much about it... as you get faster, you will definitely start to recognize your brake points.

Like I said, many of these things are just due to the track thing being new to you.

All of the above will come over time. Don't work on too many things at once. Pick one, and just work that one thing for the morning sessions. When you feel you've made improvement, pick another thing to work on during the next sessions. If you can get with one of the control riders, hook up with them, ask them to follow you around the track and vice-a-versa. Have them give you feedback. They are there to help, just ask em! I'm always more than happy to follow folks around to provide help. I had a lot of help along my way... coaching is a great way to get quicker faster! They'll show you some good lines too.

Good luck out there, and just keep getting out there - Great job!
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Old 11-28-2011, 03:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thanks a lot!! i really appreciate all of your advice and will work on one thing at a time.
I actually was driving in second gear all the way around the track. second gear has so much power that i didnt need the 3rd gear(beacuse of my experience of course). didnt really use my brakes at all, never went above 100 mph because im not that confident yet. i feel more comfortable on right hand turns than left hand turns, is this normal?
also, the protector on the front of my right boot is a bit scratched, sometimes i dragged it along with my right knee, is this ok?
thanks again for you time, and knowlegde shared.
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Sounds like you got the right approach. Each one of those things one can spend days, weeks, months practicing... so don't rush it. And again, some of those things will just come with time too.

As far as left vs. right turns. Different folks will feel more comfortable with one or the other for sure. Doesn't mean much except that you favor one side. It won't be long till both become very comfortable to you.

As far as scraping your boot. Is it OK... well, I guess it depends on how you look at it If your feet are on the pegs properly (the balls of your feet are on the pegs) and you're down that far, it could mean a few things:
  • Your body position is not quite right on the bike... you should get off the bike more get your head out over the inside of the turn more and in essence you end up getting the bike slightly more upright. This will prevent a low side or two as well as get your pegs (and foot) further away from the ground.
  • Could mean your foot is not properly situated on the peg... you might have it hanging off too much.
  • Could mean your pegs need adjusting up to get them (and your feet) further away from the ground.
  • You're REALLY fast and you just require that much lean angle
My guess is it's #1 above. Same thing happened to me on my second track day. I had my S1 out there and I had put on the Ilmberger street version belly pan. On a double apex right hander, I actually scraped the side of the belly pan. Scared the crap outta me! I'm confident that since I was new at the whole track scene, that my body position wasn't so good. Since I wasn't getting off the bike more, I was artificially putting excess lean angle in the bike due to the fact my body wasn't getting off as much as it should. Once in a while I still scrape a boot, but not too often and usually it just reminds me I need to caution myself because my peg is the next thing that will hit. It also reminds me to... again, ensure my body position is right. So you see... this stuff never really ends. You're always trying to get faster trying various things!
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Session 1 27 11 2011 - YouTube

heres a video from sunday, hope you can point out what i could be doing better. I felt more confident, and the track this time is clockwise, so it runs faster. counterclockwise its more technical i think. thanks
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Session 1 27 11 2011 - YouTube

heres a video from sunday, hope you can point out what i could be doing better. I felt more confident, and the track this time is clockwise, so it runs faster. counterclockwise its more technical i think. thanks
You look better on left hand turns than on rights. Your body position looks decent and you are a lot less crossed up when you turn left... All of us tend to have a slight preference for left or right turns... not sure if it's to do with our "handedness' or what...

Have you taken the CSS advanced course or similar to have a real evaluation done of your technique?

Other than that, just keep on going to the track... practice, practice, practice always make you better.... Thanks for posting the videos...
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actually i feel a lot more comfortable turning right than left, i dont know how deducted that. from what i see(this is my third track day) turning right i let my body hang off more of the bike, rather than left that i feel a lot stiffer and do not have the same confidence going into the curve. thanks for your time and sharing your knowledge.
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good job!!!!!!! I knew you going to be addicted...LOL...

get a lap timer, that would help to understand what you done to improve

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to understand how addictive this could get(for those of you who haven't) i bought a 2012 5 day pass on monday... hahahahaha sooo....
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to understand how addictive this could get(for those of you who haven't) i bought a 2012 5 day pass on monday... hahahahaha sooo....
lol, you must have not read this article:

Evoluiton of the Sportbike rider

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So you've seen them zooming through the canyons, hanging out at the beach, racing on television or parked outside the classroom. Your mother hates them and has vowed to never let you have one of them. You know someone, who knows someone, who had an uncle/brother/sister/friend who wrecked on one and feels the need to relay this story to every one that rides one. You think you shouldn't get one because "You know yourself, and you would kill yourself." You have probably called them a "Crotch Rocket, Death Trap, Ninja or Rice Rocket". BUT REGARDLESS, you've decided to buy one for your very own.



Sportbike Riders tend to follow a path of evolution after purchasing their first bike. From squid to retired racer, we all tend to follow a certain path on our Sportbike lifestyle journey.



Pre-purchase -After growing tired of sitting in traffic and (not) seeing these two wheeled machines go in between the cars while you dance the brake/clutch shuffle, you decide to get a bike. Unless you're a doctor, lawyer, or CEO, spending $20K for a retro, under-engineered relic of bike may not sound like the best way to get around on two wheels. So you opt for a Sportbike.



Lesson #1 is to call this bike by a proper name. Have you ever heard a Ferrari called a crotch car? How about a Lamborghini a 911 because that's the only Sports Car you know. While we all thank Tom Cruise and his 80's fighter-jet chasing antics for giving Sportbikes one of their first big breaks, not every bike is a Ninja.



Purchase time - Your expert buddy who has been riding for an entire month says the YZF Ninja GSXR-1 is the ONLY bike to have. It's the fastest thing out there and you'll be able to smoke everyone on the road.



Off to the local dealership -- and you agree the YZF Ninja GSXR-1 is the perfect bike to learn to ride on. The salesman tells you how cool you will look and even gives you a GREAT deal! $500 off MSRP!! You say, "SOLD!! I'll take a helmet and matching jacket with the extra money I saved." After adding freight, set-up, taxes, title, license, cleaning fee, advertising fee, adding a flux-capacitor and changing the brake light oil, you leave the dealership, paper plate and all, off to show some people up! What better place to show your riding skills then the local hangout parking lot. Not before taking a dull hacksaw to your rear fender and ripping off the signals for that "racer look".



After meeting some fellow riders one of them does something AMAZING! WOW! How did he ride down the street with the front wheel in the air! Seeing how you bought the biggest, baddest bike on the planet, you slam the throttle wide-open riding down the freeway. Up, up, up, oh s**t, Wham! The front end rises effortlessly and crashes even harder after a quick chop of the throttle. After only a week worth of practice, you can carry this for a while and getting pretty good at it! Your confidence grows and you begin to show your newfound talent in front of others. It's usually at this point you manage to get interviewed by a local news crew or reporter as a designated representative of the emerging Sportbike scene. Then after about a month, while riding a nice stand-up wheelie down the freeway in front of all your buds, the front end keeps going, going, going….BOOM down you go on the ground. The bike goes sliding, grinding all the pretty paint away. Some one shows up mysteriously in a truck and quickly offers you some cash for it. Your first bike quickly gets turned it into someone else's nice YZF Ninja GSXR-1 race bike.



Back to square one.



This time you're a little smarter and able to walk out of the dealership a little less soar then before. Perhaps you'll try that canyon thing. So you meet some buds at the gas station on Sunday morning. A few thoughts run through your head, "Why are they all dressed in leather? Who do they think they are, racers or something? Why do they keep looking at my tires?"



Off you go down the canyon road. Within a few corners, your buds begin to pull away. How is this possible? You have the YZF Ninja GSXR-1, the fastest bike on the planet? In order to keep up you find yourself hitting the gas HARD on the straight-aways only to use the brakes HARD before (and sometimes during) every corner. But somehow, despite your best effort, even the guy on the old slow bike is STILL pulling away. Before you know it, they're long gone. A few miles down the road you find your buds sitting at the local eatery, helmets off, feet up relaxing as you pull in. You think, "WOW, these guys are fast!"



End of Year 1 - You've managed to survive. Along the way you probably have met some GREAT people. Your life has begun to revolve around your bike. Sat/Sun rides are becoming a regular part of your life. Wednesday's are reserved for a bike night somewhere in the city. You have a screen name and a regular user of one of the many message boards. You know every wheelie spot and where to hang out given the night of the week. Your canyon friends still dust you, but at least they aren't looking aged by the time you meet up with them.



Year 2 - Sometime this year, one of your buddies tell you about a Track Day. Track Day? I can't go to a track day! Here's 10 excuses why you can't go.



Somehow, you get coaxed into going. As you get to the track, you're scared to DEATH! You're not sure where to go, what to do. MORE



Some how, they convince you and you find yourself on the track. After the first session, you feel like Eric Bostrom dragging elbows in every corner (until you see the video of you someone shot). "Good lord, I look slow" you think. Your new track buddies are lapping you every session. How are they going so damn fast?



Once the nerves are gone, you are having the time of your life. After every session you are grinning ear-to-ear and can't wait to discuss race lines excessively with anyone who will listen. By the end of the first day, most of your buddies aren't lapping you anymore. You start to pass other bikes and realize that there's more to this state-of-the-art YZF Ninja GSXR-1 then you originally thought.



After your first track day, you're wiped out. You've dropped 20-30 seconds off your morning lap times and live to tell about it. The next day you have newfound bragging rights you can't wait to share with everyone on the message board. By this time, you're hooked. You can't WAIT for the next track day and begin looking at SoCalRPM to find where/when the next day is scheduled.



On your next canyon ride, you're riding right with your canyon buddies. They are all impressed with how fast you have gotten. You feel confident taking corners at speed, but there's a nagging voice in your head. "Whoa, look at the dirt. What if that car pulls out in front of me? Does that guy see me?" After a few more track days, that nagging voice begins to take over. You see yourself actually going SLOWER in the canyons. Why? Next track day is in 2 weeks. Save it for then.



End of Year Two - This bike is now your life. All your friends are ones that ride. You own a set of leathers. You watch races regularly and know the racers by name. Your friends are getting tired of lending you their truck. You save and plan in advance for track days.



Year three -At this time a few track classes from the pros are in store. You have been warned more then once for being on the Internet at work and for looking at models on Sportbikes. You have more Sportbike videos than porn in your video collection. You sold the car and bought a truck. Your wrecked your beautiful daily ride late-braking in turn 2 at the track, trying to get around that damn squid on the YZF Ninja GSXR-1. You own more then one bike -- one for the track and one for the street. After all, those rolling burnouts are getting expensive on race-rubber. You enjoy the Canyon rides more for the experience of hanging out with your friends and sharing stories over breakfast. Track days are now an addiction. You are hooked on track riding like a rock star on groupies and heroin. You decide to get your racing license because you hear about the $65 track day practices. Your track day bike has slowly evolved into a full out race-only bike.



Year four thru ten - Hobby? It's not longer a hobby but an obsession. You find yourself brown-bagging lunch to save a few bucks to get that lightweight sub-frame that will help you shave 1/.003 second off your lap time. Sorry honey, no anniversary this year, it's a race weekend and I need the points. Kids can't eat this week. You need a set of tires for the upcoming double-header weekend.



Post racing years - O.K. your hopes of a factory ride are over. The house is mortgaged 3X over and the kids will have to get financial aid for college. You still ride the canyons and laugh at the kids on the latest YZF Ninja GSXR-1 with the sissy stripes on the tires. Now the canyon rides aren't scheduled, they are just something you do. The spouse and kids know that on Sat. morning daddy/mommy rides. What's this? Over 40 racers class? Hmmm………..
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