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Old 06-09-2011, 07:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So, back in 2003 I purchased a new Honda Hornet/CB919. The first time it came to do an oil change I took it back to the dealer for the 600 mile break-in service. After that I started doing my own servicing to the bike. I went to a Non-Dealer shop to pick up an oil filter and 4L of oil. The owner turned me on to K&N filters and Silkolene full syn oil. He promised me that I would notice a difference in smoother shifting (yes, even for a Honda) and an increase in idle speed. If I didn't, he said drain the oil out and bring it back for a full refund. I thought, "What the hell..." After changing the oil, I was absolutely amazed. The idle picked up almost 100 rpms and, yes, even a Honda could shift even smoother after using this oil. I followed this regiment of using Silkolene Pro 4 for the duration of the time and 35,000 miles later the bike still doesn't burn a drop of oil. It is even still on it's first clutch.

I had the first service on my BMW done by the dealer and now have 2200 miles on the bike. After reading all of the posts about people finding decent size metal shavings on their drain plugs I became very curious. I decided to pick up Motul 300V (which is a double ester full synthetic oil) from my good friends at Washington Cycle Works in Washington NJ, which is what all of their race teams are now using. Not cheap! 65 bucks retail. He recommended that I stay with the BMW filters for the time being...so I did. So, I drained out the old oil and sure enough I had the same metal slivers that everyone else seems to have as well. Although, mine seemed pretty insignificant. However, I did notice that even with only 1600 miles on the new oil it was pretty dark in color and extremely thin. I'm not sure if the dealers are putting in full synthetic or a blend, but even after 10K miles on the Silkolene oil out of my Honda it looked as though I had just put it in. After doing some research, I found that BMW is now in bed with Castrol. So, I can only assume that's what the dealer put in. Never the less, I put the new filter on and filled the case with the Motul and WOW! The BMW is shifting a lot smoother and the RPM's are up again. Not as much as the Honda, but they are up a little.

This brings up the whole oil debate. I can only say this: I have used all kinds of oil in about 30 different bikes over the years and nothing, nothing at all beats a good quality oil. It is the life blood of your engine. Why would you not run the best oil possible? I can say this about you guys running Mobil1 for motorcycles: That stuff is JUNK. I have used the stuff and the only thing it's good for is lawn equipment and door hinges. My friend used it in his GSXR and actually had to replace his clutch afterwards. His bike was missing shifts and clunking in and out of the gears when he tried going the cheap route. After he changed the clutches he went back to running Motul and it's all better now. I can also say from experience, that no matter if you're the type who rides 1K miles or 10K miles a year, you only have to change your oil once a year when you run the good stuff. Get THE GOOD STUFF. When I change my oil again, I will update this post and show my findings to see if I still am getting the metal slivers.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have to agree that I don't see the point in using cheap oil on a bike like this. It is only $10 - $20 more for the good stuff and is the one thing I would not skimp on.

I am not sure where you found out that BMW is in bed with Castrol (you may be correct) however my BMW dealer told me that BMW recommended Motul and strongly suggested that I make sure I use recommended oil to ensure that my warranty remains intact.

Mobile 1 is made for cars. You should NEVER use car oil in your bike. It is no wonder your friends bike did not run properly. Mobile 1 is a fantastic car oil and I have used it for many years with great success.
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first off, you're right, you should never use a car oil in a motorcycle. That is a novice mistake. However, my good friend and I are not novices. mobile 1 does make a motorcycle full synthetic oil specifically designed for wet clutches. or at least that's what they claim. that is what he used in his bike, not the mobile 1 car oil.

second, if you pull out your manual and look in the section talking about oil you will see it says we recommend castrol.
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I use 300V as well in my racebike and love it... the new S1 will be getting the same treatment and often.
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Yeah, and the fact that its fluorescent yellow is pretty cool too.
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it's funny you mention the color.. I highsided my 848 and broke the whole stator case.. there was green fluid all over and the guy driving the track truck says.. looks like you broke your radiator. nope, that's oil. there was some blue in there too from the water pump cover...engine ice.
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first off, you're right, you should never use a car oil in a motorcycle. That is a novice mistake. However, my good friend and I are not novices. mobile 1 does make a motorcycle full synthetic oil specifically designed for wet clutches. or at least that's what they claim. that is what he used in his bike, not the mobile 1 car oil.

second, if you pull out your manual and look in the section talking about oil you will see it says we recommend castrol.
I stand corrected! Should look things up before I open my mouth!

Not sure why my dealer said that BMW recommends Motul. I am not sure which one they used but it is red not yellow, which I was also surprised to see the first time I checked the oil.
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I stand corrected! Should look things up before I open my mouth!

Not sure why my dealer said that BMW recommends Motul. I am not sure which one they used but it is red not yellow, which I was also surprised to see the first time I checked the oil.
That is the 7100 I believe. Great stuff as well. I run that in my mx bikes.

Don't worry about the Mobil 1 comment. I do it all the time. Haha.
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Put 140K + on an 00 Trumpet. First 60K on Mobile1 & the other 80K+ on $0.99 a quart Pep Boys oil changed every 4K or so. Sold the Engine for decent $ with even compression!
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:17 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Never say never!

Most of the oil anaylsis I have seen on Castrol motorcycle oil makes it a second rate oil. German Castrol 0w30 has a real good reputation for a car oil.

The Motuls from 5100 up are about as good as they get.

There are some much cheaper options out there like the mixed fleet heavy duty engine oils (HDEOs) I mention in my post below. These will do almost as good as the synthetics at a fraction of the cost. Some guys even use them for racing and the oil analysis comes back almost as good or the same as the top of the shelf full synthetics. They just need to be changed at about 60% of the hours/mielage of the synths.

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