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Old 01-15-2011, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can anyone help me with a problem with the tire tearing problems

I'm using Dunlop NTech D211GP 6680 tires. Front looks ok but back tire having some tearing issues with a little grab in exiting. tire pressure on the back is 23 PSI hot on warmer.

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Ohlins 30 MM cart kit with10.5 Nmm springs, 40 MM Rider sag Comp 12 clicks Rebound 14 clicks internal settings 140 mm Oil level.

Ohlins TTX36 BM888 Rear shock with with 11 Nmm springs (Flipped), 28 MM Rider sag Flipped, Rebound 12, Comp 10. (Rider 205 lbs. with Gears)

Any advice will appreciate it.
* 26 track laps on tires only
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Old 01-15-2011, 12:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How good is your throttle control?What was your tire temperature when you finished your session?
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Old 01-15-2011, 12:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=lover5;62001]Can anyone help me with a problem with the tire tearing problems?/QUOTE]

I'm not a tire expert, but yours looks good to me. Just seems you have some right hand corners that you're able to drive harder out of than the left, and you get that side of the tire hotter than the other. I'm not sure what you mean with "grab in exiting", but if there's no slip in there too, it sounds like that's a good thing.
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Check this video out, it is about reading tire wear:

Dave Moss Unsprung: Tire Wear, how to "see" what your tire is telling you in terms of wear patterns that can easily be recognized and then attended to. Th...

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Old 01-15-2011, 03:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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How good is your throttle control?What was your tire temperature when you finished your session?
My throttle control was OK however circuit has a lot of Right technical curves. Tire temperature was between 167-176 F
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Can anyone help me with a problem with the tire tearing problems?/QUOTE]

I'm not a tire expert, but yours looks good to me. Just seems you have some right hand corners that you're able to drive harder out of than the left, and you get that side of the tire hotter than the other. I'm not sure what you mean with "grab in exiting", but if there's no slip in there too, it sounds like that's a good thing.
By second track day tire became much worse to the point that it's can't be used again! around 50 laps only
"grab in exiting" i meant that rear tire when gas applied after apex tire start to slide then grab then slide and grab so on till i pick it up. sorry for bad english
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Old 01-15-2011, 05:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think your pressures might be a bit low... 167 -173 hot seems about 15 degrees too low, as does 23 psi out of the tyre warmer.. Try putting 2 psi into the rear tyre and see if that helps. I know that Dunlop specifies 23 psi, but try 25 psi and see if it helps.

Dunlop does say that the tyre yo are using may be susceptible to cold tearing on occasion:

Track Data: Barber, Road Atlanta, Talladega, Blackhawk, Road America, Mid Ohio, Homestead, Grattan, Loudon, Nashville, Summit, Beaver Run, VIR - Front 6704 or 6680 work well. The 6680 may be a bit more consistent and last longer on hot days. Grip is about the same for both unless real hot and the 6680 is better. 6671 would be used for endurance if not too cold. Rear 6714 or 7704 or 6680 all work well at these tracks. If the outside temp is less than 70 degrees, the 7614 may be more likely to cold tear. 7614 is best used in hot temps and it will not last as long as the other compounds but will grip very well. 6680 is the most durable and consistent of the compounds. It is not far off the grip of 7704 but has better durability and less susceptible to cold tearing.


Barber, Road Atlanta, Talladega, Blackhawk, Road America, Mid Ohio,Homestead, Grattan, Loudon, Nashville, Summit, Beaver Run, VIR - Front 6704 or 6680 work well. The 6680 may be a bit more consistent and last longer on hot days. Grip is about the same for both unless real hot and the 6680 is better. 6671 would be used for endurance if not too cold. Rear 6714 or 7704 or 6680 all work well at these tracks. If the outside temp is less than 70 degrees, the 7614 may be more likely to cold tear. 7614 is best used in hot temps and it will not last as long as the other compounds but will grip very well. 6680 is the most durable and consistent of the compounds. It is not far off the grip of 7704 but has better durability and less susceptible to cold tearing.

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sorry for bad english
Your English is fine, and much better than my writing would be in any other language, you just didn't finish your thought to fully explain what was happening. My guess would be to work with your suspension, but the tire pressure is the easiest thing to try first. Sorry, I have no clue which direction to go with the suspension. I'd think an accurate internet diagnosis will be tough even for a good suspension man.
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Old 01-15-2011, 06:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The first problem is you're ridding on Dunlop tires. I've never ridden on a set of Dunlops that didn't slip. Frankly..... they suck
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