Aside from my post above, here's my experience (on the track). I had a Brembo 19x20 on my last race bike. Would NEVER go back to it. It was more of "on" or "off"... it didn't provide enough feel for my liking for trail braking. Currently I have a stock Nissin on my race bike and all I've done is put race pads (Vesrah XX) and steel lines... Brakes are great, awesome feel for trail braking, no brake fade. This setup has gotten me to within ~1s of the track record, so I certainly can't say it's too shabby. Another race buddy is using a Brembo and he has a switchable... goes from 19x20 to a 19x18. He keeps it on the 19x18 and although I haven't ridden his bike, based on the feel of the lever, it seems progressive and should allow good feel for trail braking.
My suggestion to anyone looking to upgrade brakes is to take it step by step. That is if you don't like the current setup. I found on the street the S1 was absolutely fine. If you wanted to upgrade, always start with steel lines if your bike (whatever bike) didn't come with them. Then look at getting better pads. If you still need more, go to an upgraded M/C. If that's not enough, get monoblocks... And if you've done all that... I would suspect you gotta be one of the fastest guys on your track and probably getting looked at for a factory ride
What prompted the original post of mine was to get a read on what fellow S1000RR riders:
a) use when it comes to brakes on the bike (OEM, Brembo, etc.)
b) why the change was made (does it really improve things or make things the same or worse)
c) what are the real life/track/race experiences to validate the above.
Thank you to all who have responded with their thoughts and experiences.
My bike will become a track/race bike in 2012 (look for OEM parts soon in the clasified section of our forum).
The OEM brakes work fine, I like the progressive feel of the brake lever. Not a fan of instant either "on" or "off" brakes.
I also got feedback from other 1000rr riders, like yourself, that recommend to:
a) upgrade the brakepads
b) upgrade the pads and the break calipers
c) and for stage three, upgrade the rotors
At the end of the day, a ton of money can be spent on "Speclist upgrades." Esthetically pleasing? Perhaps, but I am not looking to say "Yeah, I got that too." I want the best or even better performance of the OEM brakes, which are really good.
So, where to now?
Replace the pads with another set of OEM (its time for a set)?
Replace the pads with other pads (which are better than OEM)? Keeping in mind thickness, what pads do to the rotors, etc.
Or spend some money and replace both the pads and the calipers?
As long as the brakes have a progressive feel, I am ok with suggestions, shared experiences, etc.
This is why we, all S1000RR riders, have this forum.
Its a great place to share and discuss upgrades and their pros and cons.
Keep them coming.