Where are your feet while knee dragging?

[kanankeban]

Ok...in other thread I was reading of a technique of using the rear brake while cornering to turn the bike deeper in the turn while rolling the throttle, So...for example in a left turn while knee dragging or almost doing it, my left foot tip is over the rear set and my heel is pointing backguards to the rear wheel let say my left foot is 45 degrees, My right foot is 90 degrees pointing to the front with my foot tip over the rear set and my heel is rised to lock my knee on the tank...SO......when or how I could hit the rear break!!!
So, do im doing it right or my left foot should be planted in the center to have control of the rear brake?

[Lee#144]

Yes, I think you answered your own question, right hand turns is where it's kind of tough at least with that much lean. I think most times that I use the brake like that I'm adjusting my line and knee I don't thnk is grounded yet. The other time was rolling on max throttle out and off the apex. As far as basic foot position, I'm not preaching proper technique here at all, I typically ride on the balls of my feet and like you use a lot of weighting the pegs, balls of feet on pegs pointing out with heel pressed against heel guard. I know this isn't very tech savvy as I have crashed very bad at very high speed attempting to sneak my left toe under the gear shift in a high speed kink to catch an upshift and my foot got caught in between the peg/ground, ran out of lean angle and went off track lol. The turn was wide open 4th to 5th gear on my 04zx6rr so it hurt quite a bit..lessons learned, don't run improper gearing because you wanted to be lazy when you got to the track, and two, get good with gp shift lol.

[bananaman]

Originally Posted by Lee#144

Yes, I think you answered your own question, right hand turns is where it's kind of tough at least with that much lean. I think most times that I use the brake like that I'm adjusting my line and knee I don't thnk is grounded yet. The other time was rolling on max throttle out and off the apex. As far as basic foot position, I'm not preaching proper technique here at all, I typically ride on the balls of my feet and like you use a lot of weighting the pegs, balls of feet on pegs pointing out with heel pressed against heel guard. I know this isn't very tech savvy as I have crashed very bad at very high speed attempting to sneak my left toe under the gear shift in a high speed kink to catch an upshift and my foot got caught in between the peg/ground, ran out of lean angle and went off track lol. The turn was wide open 4th to 5th gear on my 04zx6rr so it hurt quite a bit..lessons learned, don't run improper gearing because you wanted to be lazy when you got to the track, and two, get good with gp shift lol.

Similar experience, a between gears left hander, went for a shift, foot got trapped, wore a hole in the boot, hairy !! Foot now always well up out of the way on the leaning side now

[misti]

Originally Posted by kanankeban

Ok...in other thread I was reading of a technique of using the rear brake while cornering to turn the bike deeper in the turn while rolling the throttle, So...for example in a left turn while knee dragging or almost doing it, my left foot tip is over the rear set and my heel is pointing backguards to the rear wheel let say my left foot is 45 degrees, My right foot is 90 degrees pointing to the front with my foot tip over the rear set and my heel is rised to lock my knee on the tank...SO......when or how I could hit the rear break!!!
So, do im doing it right or my left foot should be planted in the center to have control of the rear brake?

What exactly is your reasoning for wanting to use the rear brake mid corner? You say that it can help the bike turn deeper while rolling on the throttle, is there any other way you could help tighten up your line while cornering that wouldn't require using the rear brake?

Misti

[Lee#144]

Originally Posted by misti

What exactly is your reasoning for wanting to use the rear brake mid corner? You say that it can help the bike turn deeper while rolling on the throttle, is there any other way you could help tighten up your line while cornering that wouldn't require using the rear brake?

Misti

Misti, no I'm not talking turning deeper more like changing lines. Prior to apex under constant (not rolling on)throttle, using the rear brake as using the front could disrupt the front and wash. I've used this when entering a blind turn and came in waaaay too hot had to use it prior to knee down and after releasing front brake. Another usage when overtaking a lesser experienced rider that blows a turn and runs wide (ie evasive manuever). We are talking minor adjustments here lol. Totally different situation on drive out prior to TC or wheelie control using the rear brake to prevent rear spin and wheelie and using max throttle!

[kanankeban]

Originally Posted by misti

What exactly is your reasoning for wanting to use the rear brake mid corner? You say that it can help the bike turn deeper while rolling on the throttle, is there any other way you could help tighten up your line while cornering that wouldn't require using the rear brake?

Misti

LOL....well I learned that hook turn will do that, and indeed I try it and works great...
Refferig to the rear break on mid corner No idea....Im reffering to other post that mention that technique that I dont yet understand.... Im trying to tight things out

[misti]

Originally Posted by kanankeban

LOL....well I learned that hook turn will do that, and indeed I try it and works great...
Refferig to the rear break on mid corner No idea....Im reffering to other post that mention that technique that I dont yet understand.... Im trying to tight things out

Hahaha, yes the hook turn will do that Glad to see that you have really learned your stuff!

As you know at CSS we don't teach use of the rear brake (unless you end up off track in the dirt and then it is desirable to use it over the front) as it is very easy to lock up and can cause way more problems than it can solve. I would just be cautious about trying techniques that you read about online (especially ones that you don't really understand). I'm not saying don't try stuff, by all means, see what works for you just be careful doing it.

Use of the rear brake mid corner can become a crutch to mask the problem of too high entry speed. I'd rather people looked at WHY they are entering into a turn too hot and need to use the brakes over practicing using it all the time.

Why do you think people make mistakes at setting their entry speeds (either too slow or too fast)?

Ride safe!

Misti

[kanankeban]

Originally Posted by misti

Why do you think people make mistakes at setting their entry speeds (either too slow or too fast)?
Misti

Well...guess that is a matter of not knowing well or setting enough brake reference points, corner entry, apex and exit point...

[DanQ]

Originally Posted by misti

Why do you think people make mistakes at setting their entry speeds (either too slow or too fast)?

Ride safe!

Misti

Not looking far enough ahead?

[Lee#144]

All very good points but the point of emphasis isn't using the technique to improve lap times more to preserve your standing in a race! Yup rear brake is the better to choose when venturing into the weeds but the better option is keeping it on the track and in control! I apologize if my above post didn't clarify the disaster avoidance and it's easy to get into turns waay too hot. Are you going to run any rounds this year Misti? Perhaps a new sequel to the last vid? My last CSS was in the late 90s followed by a few others and more recently did Polens and Howards a few times, all are different but next up will have to be CEs bootcamp lol