Weight shift during braking

Shawnery · 10-25-2010, 09:47 PM

So I'm sure most of you have been told that you need to keep your weight off the bars during braking and you should squeeze the tank with your legs and use your core, bullshit!!

When braking, as stated by MotoGP riders, you need to move your but back on the seat to help keep the rear wheel down as well as push down on the pegs for control. When it comes to to the bars though you need to weight the bars with bent elbows with the bottom of your palm.

You don't squeeze the life out of the grips though you want to have a light grip of the bars.

I heard this from the horses mouth, meaning a number of MotoGP riders, during MotoGP riding secrets. No matter if your on a production bike or a one off the basics of riding never changes. If the fast guys are doing it you should be doing it, plain and simple, no matter what ever "who the hell" says.

Would you rather listen to some trackday instructor, who is not much more then a more experienced version of yourself if even that, or the riders who have enough talent to take the basics to the tenth degree?

A bunch of you are going to disagree or have different opinions but just remember, your not arguing with me your arguing with the MotoGP riders themselves. If you have the money to do trackdays you have the money to buy this DVD and it will help you a lot more then a few trackdays ever could.

MotoGP riding secrets,

kanankeban · 10-26-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnery

So I'm sure most of you have been told that you need to keep your weight off the bars during braking and you should squeeze the tank with your legs and use your core, bullshit!!

When braking, as stated by MotoGP riders, you need to move your but back on the seat to help keep the rear wheel down as well as push down on the pegs for control. When it comes to to the bars though you need to weight the bars with bent elbows with the bottom of your palm.

You don't squeeze the life out of the grips though you want to have a light grip of the bars.

I heard this from the horses mouth, meaning a number of MotoGP riders, during MotoGP riding secrets. No matter if your on a production bike or a one off the basics of riding never changes. If the fast guys are doing it you should be doing it, plain and simple, no matter what ever "who the hell" says.

Would you rather listen to some trackday instructor, who is not much more then a more experienced version of yourself if even that, or the riders who have enough talent to take the basics to the tenth degree?

A bunch of you are going to disagree or have different opinions but just remember, your not arguing with me your arguing with the MotoGP riders themselves. If you have the money to do trackdays you have the money to buy this DVD and it will help you a lot more then a few trackdays ever could.

MotoGP riding secrets,

I been instructuded to do that...squeeze the tank...I dont feel so confortable.Im a hard breaker, while canyon riding...and always naturaly done as you say butt (even I displase the butt to the sides to counter weight and alter the weight mass while breaking) to the rear...etc...just as you say...and never had a problem...So Im in the same dilema...lol...listen to instruction or to natural instincts...

**RIGPIG** · 10-26-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnery

So I'm sure most of you have been told that you need to keep your weight off the bars during braking and you should squeeze the tank with your legs and use your core, bullshit!!

When braking, as stated by MotoGP riders, you need to move your but back on the seat to help keep the rear wheel down as well as push down on the pegs for control. When it comes to to the bars though you need to weight the bars with bent elbows with the bottom of your palm.

You don't squeeze the life out of the grips though you want to have a light grip of the bars.

I heard this from the horses mouth, meaning a number of MotoGP riders, during MotoGP riding secrets. No matter if your on a production bike or a one off the basics of riding never changes. If the fast guys are doing it you should be doing it, plain and simple, no matter what ever "who the hell" says.

Would you rather listen to some trackday instructor, who is not much more then a more experienced version of yourself if even that, or the riders who have enough talent to take the basics to the tenth degree?

A bunch of you are going to disagree or have different opinions but just remember, your not arguing with me your arguing with the MotoGP riders themselves. If you have the money to do trackdays you have the money to buy this DVD and it will help you a lot more then a few trackdays ever could.

MotoGP riding secrets,

have you done a CCS event yet mate?

kanankeban · 10-26-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RIGPIG

have you done a CCS event yet mate?

Do you mean CSS?

Wolielmo · 10-26-2010, 06:08 PM

My guess is that if in 2010 we had to reinvent super bikes, they would not even look a bit like ours. First rule should be ''edo'' is an error on a two wheel vehicle. But we all learned how to live with errors....

Shawnery · 10-26-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RIGPIG

have you done a CCS event yet mate?

No, one-on-one with Freddie Spencers old #1 instructor when there was the Fast Freddie School, with Ken Hill who is now the best or one of the best instructors at YCRS(Yamaha Championship Riding School). He's been known to instruct Some of the top AMA talent and rides with the likes of Chris Peris and Josh Hayes. I can;t go in to what he teaches as it is his lively hood but let's just say his number one saying is, if the fast guys are doing it then he's doing it.

My post though was in reference to what most every GP rider said in MotoGP riding secrets so I tend to believe in them and someone who gets to communicate with the top riders on a regular basis.

What was your reason for asking?

Shawnery · 10-26-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kanankeban

I been instructuded to do that...squeeze the tank...I dont feel so confortable.Im a hard breaker, while canyon riding...and always naturaly done as you say butt (even I displase the butt to the sides to counter weight and alter the weight mass while breaking) to the rear...etc...just as you say...and never had a problem...So Im in the same dilema...lol...listen to instruction or to natural instincts...

You need to only listen to the riders that you know have the right way of looking at things. The only way you can do that is by researching or trying different instructors who are on a higher level. Come on now, who knows more then the MotoGP guys, do you really think some trackday instructor really has the answers?

I've done many schools and rode with some top names and the only ones that said to weight the bars were the ones who were superbike champions and Ken Hill who trains some AMA talent when needed. Every other want to be school with no real connection to the top level of racing says to squeeze the tank.

Based on that discriptionwho do you think knows best????

kvr929rr · 10-27-2010, 02:50 PM

I too have been struggling with this issue. So,look at this bio-mechanically. A sportbike can realistically stop at close to 2g's. So if you keep your butt back on the seat like many counter-steer only guys suggest you have to support almost twice your bodyweight being pushed forward by squeezing the tank with some of the most mechanically disadvantaged muscles in your body.Not very easy. And if you slip, you slam forward with potentially unpleasant consequences. Not only that, this action disables you from being able to move around on the bike until after you are done braking which, under racing conditions may not give you enough time to shift your weight enough for the upcoming turn. So in order to keep your body from flying around the cockpit you need to either push on the bars or brace your belly or outside thigh on the tank especially if you're using foot controls at the same time. I would say push on the bars evenly under heavy braking but make sure that when it's time to turn you get your weight off the bars and brace your body on the tank so you can steer the bike without loading the bars. Squeezing and counter-steering only would be great for moderate street riding but racing would require more use of your arms.

Godzilla · 10-27-2010, 07:30 PM

"Counter steer only guys'" As far as I know the only way to steer a bike is counter steer

Shawnery · 10-27-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla

"Counter steer only guys'" As far as I know the only way to steer a bike is counter steer

I'm not sure what school it is, I think CSS or CCS whatever, but they use a bike that proves you have to counter steer to turn a bike. It has some special bars on it or something that's supposed to not allow you to turn the bike with body language. A guy I know who took the class was able to turn the bike even though the top dog of the school said it was IMPOSSIBLE. Supposedly he was the only one to have ever done it but case in point, he wasn't using ANY counter steering to turn the bike and he did.