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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 02:29 AM Thread Starter
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The other day I was riding on my favorite road and had the following happen to me twice.
In a right hand turn, mid corner, 2nd gear approx 45mph the handle bars turned into the turn and the entire bike wanted to fall over on its side (increase lean angle).
I'd imagine I was at about 30-35 deg lean angle and in both cases I was off at neutral throttle - maintaining speed mid corner.

To save the bike from falling over, I quickly applied a bit of throttle which picked the bike back up a bit...

This is not called "front end washing out" is it?
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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 02:32 AM
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Yep. Sounds like the front end washing out ok.
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The other day I was riding on my favorite road and had the following happen to me twice.
In a right hand turn, mid corner, 2nd gear approx 45mph the handle bars turned into the turn and the entire bike wanted to fall over on its side (increase lean angle).
I'd imagine I was at about 30-35 deg lean angle and in both cases I was off at neutral throttle - maintaining speed mid corner.

To save the bike from falling over, I quickly applied a bit of throttle which picked the bike back up a bit...

This is not called "front end washing out" is it?
That sometimes happen to me when I'm making low speed maneuvers and I don't counter balance. I don't know the term for what you experienced.

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post #5 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 06:33 AM
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Mid-corner you should be applying some throttle, keeping your susp. compressed.
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Mid-corner you should be applying some throttle, keeping your susp. compressed.
strange thing about applying throttle mid turn is while it does shift weight to the rear giving you additional traction and pushing you around the turn it also has a tendency to actually lift the the front AND rear up giving you more suspension to work with and keeping you from bottoming the shocks. Were you on the throttle when this happened?

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If you did not feel the front tire "wash" then no it's not a front end wash. Many thing could have happened. 1. Tire pressure 2. Tire wear 3. Body position.
My GSXR had all this correct then one day it would just not turn into the corner as it always had. Turned out my tire although looked good had worn enough to make a flat spot.

Key thing is do it a few more times and see if it is still there, if not it was something you did differently. You will know front end wash it will scare the heck out of you when it let's go and grabs again.


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Yes. You lost traction at the front. The RIGHT answer is slow down and find a trackday. Lots of things could contribute to why it happened but the track is where you should be sorting it out.

PS: I generally try to avoid being a jerk and calling people out but you could get hurt. Any suggestion to try it again or suggestion that you didn't lose the front is just wrong.

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post #10 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 04:31 PM
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I agree with "trying it again" I never meant to say to exactly the same thing, but the same corner or any similar corner at a reasonable speed and safe. The front end does two things, slides and catches or slides and crashes, in any case you should feel the front catch in this case.
He did not or did not say so. As I said there is several other things that could cause this one incident to happen.

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