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Old 11-30-2012, 05:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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A front end push is one of the hardest scenarios to recover from. The bike isn't holding line, you're running wide and all you can do to save it is add throttle to take weight off the front and take away lean angle to allow it to grab. Both of which cause you to run even wider.

Regardless of other factors like setup, bike technique, or tire condition, he's at his and his bikes limit. Don't push it on the street. He's nearly crashed twice and you're suggesting he try his luck again. Really?!
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ok then it's like Ghost24 said "sell your bike.. Before you hurt yourself" other wise take up drag racing. If your not capable enough to turn corners to see if there is something amiss about your bike, then just go in a straight line.


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Old 11-30-2012, 06:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If I remember right, you do not have any previous experience riding motorcycles. My suggestion is for you to attend a Motorcycle Safety Foundation class and then attend a rider's school for advanced training. If you are leaned over 35% at that slow of a pace then your cornering lines could be off.

You should probably take your bike to the dealership or a suspension shop in your area for them to set it up properly for you also.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Ok then it's like Ghost24 said "sell your bike.. Before you hurt yourself" other wise take up drag racing. If your not capable enough to turn corners to see if there is something amiss about your bike, then just go in a straight line.


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first of all skygun - go scew yourself. You're telling me that when you first started riding you had no "oh **** moments" and you were a pro right from the get go?

Idiot!
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Taking it back down a notch... I think Skygun was probably taking exception to me rather than intending to offend.

The fact you saved it says a lot about your ability to keep a cool head and stay focused. Most people never learn to do that and it's one of the most important skills you can master. You've already got a good start, so come out to the track and keep learning. It's the most fun you can have on a bike.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:05 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Another technique, although should be obvious is push steering! Not everyone does this, and if you turn the bar instead of push steer and lean the bike, it will effect your cornering.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I rode on that same road again today and was able to replicate the issue.
I's a decreasing radius 180 deg hairpin turn that goes uphill.
Riding that turn again today multiple times, i'm entering it at around 40mph but not using throttle due to the nature of the decreasing radius.
Mid corner I'm slowed down to around 20mph which where the problem happens.

I think what was happening is that horrible speed in which countersteering and normal steering seem to overlap. Does anyone know what i'm talking bout? Below 15 mph a motorcycle steers like a car. Turn left, go left. At over 15mph, it transitions into countersteer mode -turn right to go left etc...

Come to think of it, as a beginner rider, those speeds are the most difficult since there is an overlap in the techniques.

regarding skygun's comment - he's a prick and has a very negative attitude. I hope he never has kids because when they try to learn something, if they are not perfect, he'll just tell them to quit. Also - i'd bet his girlfriend is probably cheating on him with that negative attitude.

Anyway - being new to riding, i'm attending every track day I possibly can. I moved to southern California just to be able to learn how to ride and not be down for 9 months of the winter like some bros from seattle.
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Old 11-30-2012, 07:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I'm not sure what this means but you don't want to push (understeer in car terms). That's essentially what he described doing. As he mentioned the front end began to tuck and the loss of turning (centrifugal) force causes the bike to fall in.
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Anyway - being new to riding, i'm attending every track day I possibly can. I moved to southern California just to be able to learn how to ride and not be down for 9 months of the winter like some bros from seattle.
If you're in SoCal hopefully I'll see you at the track soon. PM me if you can ever make it to a SoCal Trackdays event at Chuckwalla.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:12 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Just my .02, but this really isn't a starter bike. Be safe, fast comes later!
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