Hi guys im looking at the following bikes and wanted some opinion on which is the better bike to get. Im been riding a 600 for awhile which will kept for track duty only or might sell. The BMW will be mostly for road and the occaisonal track day.
The following bikes are for sale the HP4 slightly cheaper by $1000.
Only concern i have is the hp4 is thats a track bike and has more miles than the S1000RR.
Is it possible to view the average revs and engine load history of the bike? Dealer could do this? Id be concerned if all of those 10,000kms were at the track. Or should i not be concerned?
I'd say that if it has been heavily tracked for that many miles and not been crashed that the owner is a pretty responsible guy. Sometimes track machines are maintained better than aircraft. I would go for the HP4 but inspect it closely and request a cold start.
Unfortunately it's not possible to read engine history except if any codes were set. For pure track riding the Ohlins on the 2013 may be preferred over the DDC electronics on the HP4. And the 2013 already has an Akro system and Bazzazz tuner. Also, are you getting all the factory bodywork on the HP4?
In the end, for me it would be all about the maintenance history. If the HP4 had oil and filter every few track days, and the rotors are not blued from heat (one sign of a hard life), I'd go for it.
You can get the "official" history on either bike by taking the VIN to a BMW dealer.
Thanks for the comments guys. Heres some pics of the bikes for reference. HP4 has had a low side but looks to be minor.
Thanks good to know. HP4 has been maintained with regular oil changes and rotors check out. The body kit looks complete to me? Just has a few decals on it from what i can tell.
Skapan nailed it for practical considerations. The tipping point may well be the extant to which you are emotionally drawn to the HP4 because it is an HP4.
I like the exclusivity of it tbh. But more attracted by the DDC as this will be mainly a road bike. But im not emotionally drawn to it in any way. I actually prefer the colours on the S1k better
If you could get an hp 4 for nearly the same price as the s1000rr then it is no question the hp4. If the oem bodywork is not on the hp4 then steer clear. Bikes are near impossible to sell in track bodywork without giving the bike away
hp4 for the road and if your only gonna hit the track once or twice a year. The S1000 if you are gonna hit the track with it on weekends... Not sure why they would bother putting TTXs on the S1000 if it wasn't also a track bike but who knows some people are parts queer.
Skapan nailed it for practical considerations. The tipping point may well be the extant to which you are emotionally drawn to the HP4 because it is an HP4.
If you could get an hp 4 for nearly the same price as the s1000rr then it is no question the hp4. If the oem bodywork is not on the hp4 then steer clear. Bikes are near impossible to sell in track bodywork without giving the bike away
hp4 for the road and if your only gonna hit the track once or twice a year. The S1000 if you are gonna hit the track with it on weekends... Not sure why they would bother putting TTXs on the S1000 if it wasn't also a track bike but who knows some people are parts queer.
I would carefully inspect any bike that has been lowsided for one major reason. Every piece that even has a scratch will need to be repaired or replaced. Nobody wants to buy a bike that has damage to it. Whenever you go to sell it your market will be limited if the damage isn't fixed
HP 4 without question, if they are similar price. HP is even cheaper! As a person that tracks both cars and bikes, having a track history is not a factor for me because I know it has been pretty maintained in order to do track events. These bikes were made to run.
I'd pick a bike that has been tracked and well taken care of for 10000km's over a bike that has been neglected for 3500km's. But then again these are just hypothesizes.
Check both bikes out and pick the one that seems to be in better shape considering the $1000 difference.
The HP4 will always have more appeal to buyers when it comes to resale.
I had a look at the HP4 yesterday (I live in NZ too) I was looking at buying it and making it into a road bike again. the engine sounds and runs fine, but there is more body work damage than the photo's lead on. all the panels are oem as well. I did price up new oem fairings to replace the damaged ones, to get it to a standard in which i would be happy with (Im picky with my bikes) and put it just out of my price range.
The guy is really nice and has looked after really well apart from the damage to the fairings. If you are willing to have the damaged parts on it for fix it up, then go the hp4 its a awesome bike. If i had a bit more money to spend i would have brought it my self :wink2:
I saw this post and figured I would comment. The HP4 is a great bike it has DDC and a few other features onboard that the standard bike does not offer. If you use those features it's a great option.
Other than those features however there's nothing "unique" about the HP4 in comparison to a standard bike. All of the carbon and HP parts it is equipped with are available for sale for the standard bike.
You could do something similar to this bike and have "both bikes" without DDC and some of the special features the HP4 offers at the same time. This particular bike has made up for some of the things it was not equipped with from the factory with the HP Race ECU and Calibration kit as well as Ohlins Suspension and Carbon wheels.
Pick the bike you love the most and keep in mind that "the sky is the limit" when it comes to upgrades. The HP4 is a special model with special options but that does not mean that the standard bike is a slouch by any stretch of the imagination. If you look beyond the BMW HP catalog as well you could upgrade one to WSBK specs.
Do you know the production number from the tripple clamp? You could search the forum on here to see if that number comes up anywhere or anywhere else on the web for pics, questions, etc...
One other thing I just noticed. The 2013 RR. That particular one I would perhaps avoid all together. It's either a bike that did not have DTC on it from the factory or it's one that someone's tinkered with the DTC installing an aftermarket unit. The "Party Piece" of the whole RR platform is DTC. Why they did not offer it as standard is beyond me.
Aftermarket Traction control will never be as good as the class leading DTC system on the bike from the factory. If the owner was tinkering with DTC for some reason or another and could not afford the BMW Race ECU with it's updated DTC maps that potentially tells a story of it's own about the previous owners budget. You don't want a bike that may have had similar cost cutting on maintenance items.
Go with the HP4. It's cheaper and it has the factory DTC system.
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