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Old 08-11-2010, 03:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have the Bluetooth model. Spent 10 minutes trying to initialize with the notebook with Bluetooth. No go. It showed the correct port number, and the notebook saw the GS-911, just never opened the rest of the program and only got about 1 green bar on the Initializing screen. The green LED on the GS-911 changed to Blue like it was going to start, but never did. So much for Bluetooth.

Shut program down and used a USB cable. Restarted program and it launched. Guess the Bluetooth is a bit fickle.

Here's the odd stuff I found:

It says there are 8 Fuel Injectors (??) and a TEST button for each of the eight. The notes say "You will hear a clicking noise when the injector gets the test signal." After pushing the TEST button for injectors 1 through 4, I heard nothing at all. Injectors 5 through 8 clicked as it said. Dunno what that's all about as the MAX BMW sheet says it has 4 Injectors and not 8.

Then, the Tank Valve Vent Test is much the same as above. "You will hear... on U.S. model bikes only." Nope. I didn't hear anything. Odd.

Other tests seemed to work. I didn't perform the exhaust or flapper valve test or do any correction which they say is used "To correct for stretch in the Bowden cable or if their parts are replaced."

I performed a running Lamda test and mine drifts outside their green lines constantly. Their green range is 200-600 millivolts and the TWO Lamda sensors (one Lamda for two cylinders so you have two) were running 100 to 700 on mine. Two bars, a red and a blue for each lamda sensor, just dancing up and down through their green median. Dunno.

When you click on Service Date it will launch a window telling you you have only 10 VIN possibilities to use and do you want this VIN as one of them? Selecting YES kicks you to the Change Date and Mileage Screen which now unlocks for that VIN bike. Mine said next service was 5-11-2011 and/or at 8,000 miles.

No fault codes were found anywhere and I was hoping to see one as I had a very strange shutdown in traffic today where the only way to get the bike to start was to turn the key off and on, hence rebooting the computer. The starter switch was just dead to anything but a key cycle (kickstand up/down, clutch in/out, and Neutral with a 'No Start' on any?). I dunno what happened, other than it did take a lot of gas 3.6 gallons so maybe it ran dry while stopping?

Hope this doesn't become one of those haunted right switch things like what happened on their K1300GT line and resulted in a recall.


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Hey Mack, I've got the BT version as well... although I only got it in anticipation of hooking to my Blackberry whenever they get that figured out. So far I've just used the USB to the bike and it seems to work fine. Don't recall the injector test too much, but seem to recall I didn't hear any clicking either. I've got the O2 sensors unplugged on mine due to having the PCV installed on the bike and it throws a code for each. Nothing on the dash, just a code on the GS-911. I also have one for the fact that I have the rear valve (exhaust) unhooked. Again, nothing on the dash, just something on the ECU that has to be read by a computer (or GS-911). The servo test seemed to work fine... you could hear it operating the servo and re-calibrating it. I primarily bought it for resetting the service light and mileage till next service. It's a great little tool to have in the toolbox.
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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...It says there are 8 Fuel Injectors (??) and a TEST button for each of the eight. The notes say "You will hear a clicking noise when the injector gets the test signal." After pushing the TEST button for injectors 1 through 4, I heard nothing at all. Injectors 5 through 8 clicked as it said. Dunno what that's all about as the MAX BMW sheet says it has 4 Injectors and not 8....
there are eight injectors - four in the throttle bodies and four mounted in the top of the air box.
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there are eight injectors - four in the throttle bodies and four mounted in the top of the air box.
Good to know, just I never heard the clicks off the 1-4 injectors they showed so that puzzled me - and Max's parts count of 4 too. Injectors 5-8 definitely clicked a few times each with the key on.

From their parts list on Max site, it only says 4 injectors for the total, but when I look at their exploded rat's nest diagram, I can see 8. Looks like 4 rails with 2 injectors each in the diagram. Then again, their parts list only says 1 rail too (?). Whoever did the tally of that part list is off a bit on quantities.

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Looks to have a full pressure rail on top, and a pressure controlled rail at the bottom. Don't know why I don't hear clicks off the upper rail with the GS-911 if that's injectors 1-4 in the GS-911 program?

Back on the GS-911, I never heard the click of the tank vent solenoid either. Didn't try it with the tank filler open if that's a requirement? Both Lamdas (if it has two because I saw two lines?) were outside their upper and lower green zone too by 100 millivollts. Surely they both cannot be gummed or varnished up in only 1,800 miles? Possible, I guess.


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Old 08-11-2010, 05:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hi Mack,

I've had the GS-911 for about 3 years and use the BT between my BlackBerry and the GS-911 on my GT, don't you?

I'm not an BT or a phone electronics geek, but I know 2 things: 1) the BB version of the mobile SW doesn't have the S1K on it yet (Still hoping for soon), and 2) I've never had any luck between the BT on my laptop and the BT on the GS-911. I don't think the PC app supports BT, the PC version is only meant for USB. I think it's the very specific mobile device java interface that the PC app wouldn't be using.

My PC connection results were similar. I couldn't hear the injectors and I couldn't hear the Tank vent - but it probably has to do with the external conditions (or my ancient hearing).

As for the Lamba sensors, did you have the bike fully warmed up? There is a lot of discussion on the GS-911 forum and advise from Stephan at GS-911 that these sensors don't work (aren't actuated) until some temperture level is reached. I da know.

You should use their HelpDesk or the Forum for asking how the device works and how for each test. I do all the time (even though the forum is inundated with air-head beemer dudes from around the world trying to fix their ancient broken down bikes).

You obviously bought the "non-Pro" version of the device. Yes, it keeps track of up to 10 different BMW's you can connect to it for diagnostic purposes. They keep track, and after 10 different VINs are attached, you can't perform certain "reset" functions - like service date/ milage, untill you pay another c-note and get registered as a "pro".

As you have learned, the GS-911 only reads codes held in the ECU, and just because you had a stall (or ran out of gas?) there is not necessarily a "fault code" for everything that can happen, like "you dummy - you ran out of gas". Your engine kill does sound strange, but I wouldn't get paranoyed about the switch-gear on this bike - yet.

Hope this helps some.
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Hi Mack,

I've had the GS-911 for about 3 years and use the BT between my BlackBerry and the GS-911 on my GT, don't you?
I've used the device on my GT with a Windows-based mobile phone and BT. You might be right that it hates looking at a laptop Bluetooth - for whatever reason.

Works okay between my laptops with the USB. I did try a Bluetooth USB dongle plug-in with one laptop and they spoke to each other saying "Initializing" but that was about it.

Not a big deal though since USB cabling enables it pretty quick.

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My PC connection results were similar. I couldn't hear the injectors and I couldn't hear the Tank vent - but it probably has to do with the external conditions (or my ancient hearing).

As for the Lamba sensors, did you have the bike fully warmed up? There is a lot of discussion on the GS-911 forum and advise from Stephan at GS-911 that these sensors don't work (aren't actuated) until some temperature level is reached.
Good to know.

I was still in warm-up mode on the S. However, my single Lamda sensor GT stayed within the spec'd range on warm-up. I dunno, but that bike has seriously been worked over for idle issues: 2-3 airbox changes, idle servos, and software mapping changes so maybe it's cleaner in op.


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You should use their HelpDesk or the Forum for asking how the device works and how for each test. I do all the time (even though the forum is inundated with air-head beemer dudes from around the world trying to fix their ancient broken down bikes).
Never been there. I guess you need to create a Google account before you can enter there.

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You obviously bought the "non-Pro" version of the device. Yes, it keeps track of up to 10 different BMW's you can connect to it for diagnostic purposes. They keep track, and after 10 different VINs are attached, you can't perform certain "reset" functions - like service date/ mileage, until you pay another c-note and get registered as a "pro".
Yeah. I bought it before they did the 'Pro' or '10 VIN only' thing. I doubt if I'll own 10 BMW's. Never know though.

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As you have learned, the GS-911 only reads codes held in the ECU, and just because you had a stall (or ran out of gas?) there is not necessarily a "fault code" for everything that can happen, like "you dummy - you ran out of gas". Your engine kill does sound strange, but I wouldn't get paranoid about the switch-gear on this bike - yet.

Hope this helps some.
I counted 4 of us in this thread on these wierd shut-downs. Probably more, but I'm not too crazy about "Splitting and Sitting" again. Least CA allows you to split, even if you are the one sitting and getting passed on both sides. Beats getting rear-ended...I guess?

I don't think it was lacking fuel from the other three in the thread, plus mine eventually started and ran another 10 miles or so before it took 3.6 gallons.

However, I got a bad feeling about that "Run" and "Kill" switch. If the RUN switch momentarily opens, say a flex forward on the bars while downshifting or braking, and a small break or bend in the circuit board contact material, I could see it shutting down. Seems that what occurred on their GT switchgear and the shut-downs seem similar. It could be worse if that line is also digital and a momentary break occurs over an older analog line. Least the Key off-and-on maneuver for those in the thread above seemed to have gotten it theirs up and running again.

I may go out and pull the right housing apart and examine the contact area under a magnifier. I had to rebuild a switch on my old RT once that wasn't making contact. Another required me to unsolder the old one and solder in a new one as the cabling was attached and too much trouble to get to.

Fwiw, dealer hasn't heard of any other random shutdowns - yet.


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I've used the device on my GT with a Windows-based mobile phone and BT. You might be right that it hates looking at a laptop Bluetooth - for whatever reason.

Works okay between my laptops with the USB. I did try a Bluetooth USB dongle plug-in with one laptop and they spoke to each other saying "Initializing" but that was about it.

Not a big deal though since USB cabling enables it pretty quick.


Good to know.

I was still in warm-up mode on the S. However, my single Lamda sensor GT stayed within the spec'd range on warm-up. I dunno, but that bike has seriously been worked over for idle issues: 2-3 airbox changes, idle servos, and software mapping changes so maybe it's cleaner in op.



Never been there. I guess you need to create a Google account before you can enter there.


Yeah. I bought it before they did the 'Pro' or '10 VIN only' thing. I doubt if I'll own 10 BMW's. Never know though.


I counted 4 of us in this thread on these wierd shut-downs. Probably more, but I'm not too crazy about "Splitting and Sitting" again. Least CA allows you to split, even if you are the one sitting and getting passed on both sides. Beats getting rear-ended...I guess?

I don't think it was lacking fuel from the other three in the thread, plus mine eventually started and ran another 10 miles or so before it took 3.6 gallons.

However, I got a bad feeling about that "Run" and "Kill" switch. If the RUN switch momentarily opens, say a flex forward on the bars while downshifting or braking, and a small break or bend in the circuit board contact material, I could see it shutting down. Seems that what occurred on their GT switchgear and the shut-downs seem similar. It could be worse if that line is also digital and a momentary break occurs over an older analog line. Least the Key off-and-on maneuver for those in the thread above seemed to have gotten it theirs up and running again.

I may go out and pull the right housing apart and examine the contact area under a magnifier. I had to rebuild a switch on my old RT once that wasn't making contact. Another required me to unsolder the old one and solder in a new one as the cabling was attached and too much trouble to get to.

Fwiw, dealer hasn't heard of any other random shutdowns - yet.


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Do NOT take the switch "apart". You can take the cover off and such and unhook it but you cannot "service" it like the older ones. They have kind of a circuit board type set up in them--the 1300s have the same switchgear. If you try to fix a broken one BMW will not warranty it. If the run/stop switch does not work, or any other switch for that matter, take it to the dealer. They should be able to test it relatively easy with the GT1 to see if it is switching. Once they fail they they don't come back like on the older model switches--dirty contacts and such.

I believe on the injectors that 4 run all the time and the other 4 only run past a certain load/rpm range--I think over 8 or 9K. Not sure why you can only hear the 4.

The tank vent is the charcoal canister vent. In normal operating conditions it will open only when the bike is fully warmed up. I would think the 911 would still be able to operate it no matter what temp. Could be software teething issues. The click would probably be close the the steering stem. Listen there, above the radiator and below the frame.

The Lambda senors on the BMWs actually have a heating element built in to them--2 of the 4 wires coming off of them, the other two are the signal wires--to get them up to operating temp as soon as possible.
Spurious running issues rarely leave fault codes unfortunately.
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I just received my GS911 2 weeks ago, I ordered the non-BT one, cause I now it's a PITA to setup the BT. And I'm not going to use the GS911 on the road anyway.
I've used it to set my service dates, and just to checkup my fault messages.
I have a foll Race exhaust system, and I can see 4 Error codes:
Exhaust flap servomotor
Balance pipe valve servomotor
Lambda(O2) cylinder 1
Lambda(O2) cylinder 2

When I try to clear out the codes, I will manage to clear out the 2 LAmbda, but after the bike has been started, they reappear.
These error codes do not bother me as I know why they are there.

I also did an injector test, and I could clearly hear all 8 injectors clicking.
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Can the gs911 release the 9k break in limit?
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Can the gs911 release the 9k break in limit?
Nope... only the Dealer on that one. It can check/reset codes, test various parts on the bike, reset the mileage till next service and the service indicator and a number of other things... but not the 9k limit.
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