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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 05-09-2017, 12:35 PM Thread Starter
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2017 RR gearbox is sh!tty

I rode a 17 RR at Aragon with Race academy for 3 days. Stock 17 RR handles better than my modded 15 RR. Overall smoother bike. But gearbox for clutchless downshifts from 2nd to 1st is messed up. There was a BMW specialist at the event riding and collecting feedback. He admitted 17 RR has gearbox issues. At least 9 out of 23 riders had shifting issues. We all started using the clutch for downshifts.

Bike still veers to the right. BMW guy said BMW is unaware of veering problem.

2018 model will be the same as 2017. 2019 is when we will see a new RR all together. Expect some major changes, but dude would not tell me what the changes are.

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I rode a 17 RR at Aragon with Race academy for 3 days. Stock 17 RR handles better than my modded 15 RR. Overall smoother bike. But gearbox for clutchless downshifts from 2nd to 1st is messed up. There was a BMW specialist at the event riding and collecting feedback. He admitted 17 RR has gearbox issues. At least 9 out of 23 riders had shifting issues. We all started using the clutch for downshifts.

Bike still veers to the right. BMW guy said BMW is unaware of veering problem.

2018 model will be the same as 2017. 2019 is when we will see a new RR all together. Expect some major changes, but dude would not tell me what the changes are.
Kinda random lol but I had a dream last night that I had RCK3 and was tuning the shift interval and got it working like tits...I bet the timing for 1-2-3 needs to be adjusted
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I thought I'd read a recent post here where BMW had finally acknowledged the veering issue?

How could a stock '17 handle better than your modded '15???? I understand benefits of a faster ECU, but I
assume you're talking about more than just electronics?
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I fixed my 15 veering problem I think.. it is the only change i made anyway in the last 2 weeks and now it tracks straight as an arrow with no hands for several miles. Mine was really bad as many other 15's reported back in 15. BMW is fully aware of it, as my dealer looked it up on PUMA and BMW documents the issue is riders are reporting problem with no hands riding. Do not adjust.

So my change was the rear shock. I lowered the rear with the spacer that is marked with the red arrow flipped in the lowering position. Made my feet feel better on the ground, and it really made the bike come off the corner better. Little harder on tip in, but, the 15 is so good at this, I gave a little up to have the better exit. And, it appears to have solved the veering problem.


As to the 17 making a little more Vibs.. might be that new Euro4 cat. The thing is so large it might be creating a resonances vib in the frame since it is attached to the frame at the rear section of it.
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I thought I'd read a recent post here where BMW had finally acknowledged the veering issue?

How could a stock '17 handle better than your modded '15???? I understand benefits of a faster ECU, but I
assume you're talking about more than just electronics?
BMW changed more than the electronics. Bike leans easier and just overall smoother. Throttle is less choppy.

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How difficult is it to lower the rear that way...and are there any real negatives to doing so (i.e., tip-in...is it only a little harder, or a lot harder?)? Did it help with the "into the gas tank" crotch slide?

After owning a '13 RR and '14 HP4, I did find the '15's added height to be a bit disconcerting at first (the way the OP mentioned...feet on ground, the way it feels).

Would like to hear from those who've done this lowering thing...thanks.
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Kinda wondering out loud, if down the road the better '17 ECU itself becomes an option for us with '15s and '16s? (if it's not insanely expensive to do)
Any idea if more than ride height tweaked for better turn in?
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2018 model will be the same as 2017. 2019 is when we will see a new RR all together. Expect some major changes, but dude would not tell me what the changes are.
With major changes come new problems and new solutions. No bike is perfect so find an imperfect bike that matching your riding style.
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He admitted 17 RR has gearbox issues.
Did he say exactly what those issues are? Are you referring to blat control or the actual gearbox? My personal experience on the '17 (and mine has done around 1800km) is the gearbox is seamless, but blat control is a bit iffy. Quickshifter is perfect. Sometimes when I click down it doesn't shift and I have to clutch it, but I'm not sure if it's my technique or issues with software/hardware. But if there are actual issues with the gearbox (selector, cogs, etc) I would love to know what they are. Pretty sure there'll be software updates to smooth it all out.
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Were the 9 out of 23 riders all at Aragon this day with gearbox problems? What about the other 14 riders, any issues? The gap between 1st and 2nd can be tricky to deal with for any brand of gear box so I'm curious if the other riders had a different style of working the lever with their left foot? I just switched from well worn in Vortice boots to new mag 1s and I've rediscovered the 2-1 false neutral and it's my error not the GB. I'd like more info from more 17 owners before I would agree that the 17 has a bad box. I would like a better QS on my 15, but I've no issues when I do things correctly with my foot...
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