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post #21 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-06-2012, 07:48 PM
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I agree with others. Modern literbikes are all astonishing bikes to ride, and for the most part the choice comes down to small idiosyncratic personal preference. I could be happy on nearly any bike, but small things like standard heated grips and quick shifter are enough to make me choose the BMW.
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post #22 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-06-2012, 08:55 PM
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I'll be the odd man out here.

If I were looking for a bike today, I'd look at either the Kawi 636 or the Honda CBR600. I really like my S1000RR, but it's on over the top bike, that I ride like it's a 600 anyway, I just can't use all that power on the street, not even close.

If I had new 600cc bike, vs my 10000RR I could kick my own ass riding in the twisties.

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I'll be the odd man out here.

If I were looking for a bike today, I'd look at either the Kawi 636 or the Honda CBR600. I really like my S1000RR, but it's on over the top bike, that I ride like it's a 600 anyway, I just can't use all that power on the street, not even close.

If I had new 600cc bike, vs my 10000RR I could kick my own ass riding in the twisties.

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Oddly I agree with you, I love the bike, but I almost never use all of it on the street.
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I'll be the odd man out here.

If I were looking for a bike today, I'd look at either the Kawi 636 or the Honda CBR600. I really like my S1000RR, but it's on over the top bike, that I ride like it's a 600 anyway, I just can't use all that power on the street, not even close.

If I had new 600cc bike, vs my 10000RR I could kick my own ass riding in the twisties.

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I have similar thoughts and actually considered swapping my bike for the new 636. I had a '07 CBR600RR and I think I was faster in the twisties on that bike than my S1K due to superior entry and cornering speeds.
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You guys would also be faster on a 250 in the twisties.....or a motard......or a GS for that matter. But twisties are different than the street. On the street the torque from the liters is what really matters. You couldn't get that from your 600 unless you rev to 8k+
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On tight twisties a properly set up 600 will be faster then a 1000, owning almost entirely to weight, rake, trail, and stiffer steering damping on the 1000. A properly set up 250 will also beat a 600.

You hardly use the full power of a 1000 on the street, but then again you would hardly use the full power of a 600, and speaking of which you hardly ever use the full power of a 250 either.

But in my opinion using 25% of a 1000 75% of the time is more satisfying then using 75% of a 600 25% of the time. Or something like that
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But in my opinion using 25% of a 1000 75% of the time is more satisfying then using 75% of a 600 25% of the time. Or something like that
Thats right, Its always good to have some extra horses in the pocket, I meant a lot extra lol

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My take on the 600 thing.

I love the handling and light quick steering of the smaller bikes but the bottom line for me is physics.

Without using forced induction (turbos/superchargers) or things of that nature the only way to increase torque in a usable range is to increase displacement. So while I may never use the top of the tach on my S1K I use the hell out of the middle of it and no 600 is even close.

This might not be an issue if you weigh 150-165lbs but those of us up at 225 and over like to be able to beat that hulking 400hp SUV I just lane split between at a stoplight without having to hit 8,000 rpms off the line to do it.

For heavier people the lower displacement bikes just get so damn annoying to ride after a while. I start jonesing for the torque only displacement can give you. Just my feelings from the heavy end of the scale.
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I'm with you, Jaxian. I'm 225 and my last sport bike was a triumph 675 Daytona. Loved the sound, styling and feel of the bike but at the end of the day i looked like a monkey ******* a football and it didn't have the torque I wanted. I may be faster at the track on a 600 but on the street I'm faster on a liter bike and since I can't ride 'all out' without putting myself or others in danger on either type of bike and I spend more time on the street I enjoy the bigger bike with a ton more power.

I do miss the Daytona though.
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