2012 RECALL

[GNice4U]

Originally Posted by nickg1977

No I'm right with you. I have 400 on the clock and as far as I'm concerned if the engine comes out they can keep it !

Feel the same way, but got a feeling that course of action won't be available. At least without some MAJOR angst.

And I also don't want to be the first one that gets whatever treatment is specified. Not to wish bad luck on any fellow S1000RR owners, but I don't want my bike to be the guinea pig they (local techs) figure it out on. Just saying...

[Nitronut]

I wonder what the law says regarding this. It's not like it's replacing a windshield here. Were talking major surgery of a brand new engine on a brand new bike by techs who have probably have little to no experience cracking open this engine.

[cnano8]

Originally Posted by apit4lif

While BMW has not released any official info, something skeptical tells me that this is more than a venting hose. To stop all sales, and new bike delivery leads me to believe that there is major concern from BMW hq.

I agree there if it was just a stupid hose they wouldn't stop production an since there had already been known con rod bolt issues I would assume theyre related but I guess we have to wait and see.

[Sal_R1]

Originally Posted by mttcnnn

I work for BMW Motorrad and I would not worry about this being a safety issue. I understand everyone's concern, but BMW has not recalled anything at this time. Demo units and bikes that have already left dealerships are safe to ride. That's the only information that Germany has released in the US, to dealers and Rep's alike. The connecting rod and vent hose routing issue rumors are just that, rumors. None of that information is from BMW, just people who assume that they somehow know more than the engineers who design and build these fantastic machines. Those of you thinking about changing your mind and buying Japanese will seriously regret the decision when all you see is the tail light and a wink from the rider on the S1000RR that just eased past you. I will post an update as soon as I know more, Thanks and enjoy the your BMW's!

To falsely state and or imply that one works for "BMW Motorrad" to add credibility to ones argument is misleading & deceptive at best, especially when the same individual is an employee of an large well known dealership apparently here to beat the salesman /damage control drum! To comically dissuade members from potentiality purchasing Japanese bikes, which happen to be the only make of bikes said dealership doesn't sell is icing on the cake!

Additionally by your argument he is not stating facts anyway as only BMW brass "knows anything"!

Originally Posted by andy and the r man

Ban whoever you want, but the guy is right except for the silly part about BMW's easing past.... Absolutely right. BMW hasn't disclosed to ANYONE what the issue is and dealers will know next week. BMW is figuring out which VINs are affected and the dealers will know Mon and Tues. He's right @ all this conjecture. It's silly. We'll deal with it when we know what we're dealing with. All this speculation @ hoses and bolts is silly. The only thing BMW dealers know is that it's engine related. Next week we'll all know. Right now, nobody, and I mean nobody, other than BMW brass knows anything

[apit4lif]

The other topic closed while I was typing this.

QUOTE=andy and the r man;127313]That's speculation. Nothing against him, but he's not a secret agent any more than the rest of us. NOBODY KNOWS YET[/QUOTE]

Pure speculation on my part. But I will tell you that my gut tells me this is going to be ugly. These machines are engineered to the hilt, especially the motors. Common sense tells you they aren't halting sales for a ghost in the machine. They know what the problem is and it's potential end effects.

It's good news if they limit it to a specific range of production dates, because it means that it is probably a result of bad product from one of their vendors. BMW like any elite company that size uses sigma six manufacturing and quality control guidelines. Google it if you don't know what I mean. They are using robotics to tighten and properly torque most likely every bolt that will be under load in that motor. They want redundancy and reliability that comes with the use of that technology. The mechanized robot won't fight with his wife and eff up everything on the production line that day.

The vagueness of the stop sell order and what not coming from BMW is what concerns me. It has " uh oh, we have a problem, and the fix is so ugly that we don't think we can sell it to the owners"...

For example... Let's just say that this entire thing really does involve the connecting rod bolts. This could be a huge problem. Even if you isolate the problem to a couple thousand bikes. And this is just for the sake of argument. But as a manufacturer you would have to open every motor pull the rods out, inspect the bolts and the inside of the block. How many guys who just dropped nearly 20k on a bike are going for that? So as BMW you may have to replace the motors on all those bikes. Then wait for the backlash, if just one bike not in that production window has one issue that could be related to that problem. These types of things have class action written all over it... It could be a blood bath.

With all that speculation... BMW is a great manufacturer... And historically have taken care of their customers. But this wouldn't be the first time that they had a major issue with a motor they manufacture. Look up nikasil motor issues on google.

I have owned one of their bikes my current S1KRR, and 5 of their cars, so I think in the end it will all be taken care of the way it should be... But I think they are being irresponsible with their language right now. Owner of their bikes take risks every time they throw a leg over... They should do right by them and come forth with what they know right a way, and I think they will find people a lot more forgiving for whatever the problem is. They should just say hey, we discovered a problem with X, when this happened. It could be an isolated event, or it could be bigger. If this problem were to reoccur while you are at speed, these are the things that are likely to happen... ie, loss of oil, seized motor, locked rear wheel.... Or whatever.

[Nismo400rgtr]

^^^ Well said

[GNice4U]

Outstanding post apit4lif. Expressed my feelings exactly. I also own a 5-series BMW car in addition to my S1000RR so clearly am a fan of their products. But, my patience (which is still in tact) will wear thin if this goes for an extended period of time.


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[TheGunCollector]

Originally Posted by Nitronut

So if it turns out to be the con rod bolt and my bike is one of the affected bikes, what corse of action do I have? The last thing I want is a major tear down of my brand new bike (725 miles on her). This was one of the reasons why I bought new, so I knew with out a doubt that everything was factory fresh. Am I alone here?

I'm having my wife, who is an attorney, look into my legal options should it turn out that they need to tear into the engine to fix the issue, and even if my bike its one of the affected.

I'm certainly NOT going to put up with a $17K new bike with a rebuilt engine. If there are many people affected, and they're not happy with BMW's solution, perhaps a class action lawsuit would be the solution.

I hope its something minor, and many including myself aren't affected, but I'll also plan for the worst case scenario.

[GNice4U]

Originally Posted by TheGunCollector

I'm having my wife, who is an attorney, look into my legal options should it turn out that they need to tear into the engine to fix the issue, and even if my bike its one of the affected.

I'm certainly NOT going to put up with a $17K new bike with a rebuilt engine. If there are many people affected, and they're not happy with BMW's solution, perhaps a class action lawsuit would be the solution.

I hope its something minor, and many including myself aren't affected, but I'll also plan for the worst case scenario.

Let us know what she comes up with!




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[nickg1977]

Originally Posted by TheGunCollector

I'm having my wife, who is an attorney, look into my legal options should it turn out that they need to tear into the engine to fix the issue, and even if my bike its one of the affected.

I'm certainly NOT going to put up with a $17K new bike with a rebuilt engine. If there are many people affected, and they're not happy with BMW's solution, perhaps a class action lawsuit would be the solution.

I hope its something minor, and many including myself aren't affected, but I'll also plan for the worst case scenario.

I indeed also hope it's minor and if major that my vin is not affected !!!!!!

But as you guys in the USA are much better at customer service than the UK please keep me posted on how we stand legally. I'm sure my dealer will take care of me as they are good guys, but I guess their hands are somewhat tied!!